[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

Fri Mar 18 05:17:36 CET 2011

nicolas vigier a écrit :
+>
+> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote:
+>
+>> Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
+>>>
+>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:51, nicolas vigier<boklm at mars-attacks.org>   wrote:
+>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+>>>>> Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end
+>>>>> of 2010, that was related to this?
+>>>>
+>>>> Yes :
+>>>> http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933
+>>>
+>>> Right, thanks. But that doesn't solve the trademark usage issue,
+>>> actually. So the question is still open.
+>>>
+>>> Romain
+>>
+>> First of all, for a short period of time Mozilla seemed to require special
+>> permission to do _any_ redistribution based on Mozilla source code, a
+>
+> No, they required permissions only when using their trademark. The
+> source code is free software, and can be used without permission.
+
+Ok.  I should have added "without changing the name".  But that seems to 
+have been a misunderstanding, anyway.
+
+>> situation which was a response to commercial sites grossly abusing Mozilla
+>> software, essentially defrauding end-users in the name of Mozilla.
+>> Subsequently they clarified their policy (but forgot to update their site
+>> for a while.)
+>> (The iceweavel project, created in reaction to this problem, died shortly
+>> after Mozilla clarified their policy.)
+>
+> The iceweavel project is still alive, and still used in Debian at the
+> moment, so it did not die shortly after Mozilla clarified their policy.
+
+I was going by posts of a number of contributors to the project.  So the 
+phoenix is alive ... :)
+
+> And Mozilla did not change their policy. What they changed is the license
+> of the logo, which was not available under a free license but is now
+> available under the MPL, GPL or LGPL license (but still protected by
+> trademark, which is different than copyright).
+
+Which is the policy I was referring to ...
+
+>> According to their site, the clarified policy says essentially that
+>> as long as
+>> 1) we don't modify the source code (other than applying Mozilla-originated
+>> patches, which we can do by updating from their cvs), and
+>> 2) we don't charge for the code,
+>> we can redistribute Mozilla products using the name, trademarks and logos.
+>
+> The "don't charge" is only for Unaltered Binaries distribution.
+
+It is under the "unaltered binaries" heading, but includes compiled 
+unmodified source code, which need not contain the installer.
+(A version without installer has always been available.)
+
+Since source code can be downloaded from Mozilla cvs, where patches are 
+available, much if not all code needed could come from directly from 
+Mozilla.
+Thus meeting Mozilla trademark conditions, without requiring special 
+permission.
+However it doesn't hurt to confirm ...
+
+>> As far as I know, Mandriva has never modified the source code, other than
+>> applying Mozilla security patches.  And I don't see us at Mageia wanting to
+>> do so either.
+>
+> As already said, our package includes some small patches :
+> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/
+
+Ok.  How much of that is not available directly from Mozilla ?
+
+Maybe we should get permission anyway, but I think it would be a good 
+idea to submit any patches upstream, and pull (especially security) 
+patches from Mozilla cvs.
+(cvs will evidently be a lot more uptodate than releases - sometimes by 
+several months, as they finish more critical security fixes.)
+
+Then we won't have a problem being out of sync, with a lot more patches 
+to maintain.
+Even if a patch comes from Fedora or elsewhere, we could still send it 
+upstream first.
+This will affect Firefox a lot more than Seamonkey, which is usually a 
+step behind. (letting Firefox squash the bugs :) )
+
+-- 
+André
+