[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

Fri Mar 18 02:05:04 CET 2011

Michael Scherer a écrit :
+>
+> Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 19:25 -0400, andre999 a écrit :
+>> Michael Scherer a écrit :
+>>>
+>>> Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 18:24 -0400, andre999 a écrit :
+>>>> nicolas vigier a écrit :
+>>>
+>>>>> Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not
+>>>>> seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the
+>>>>> "Unaltered Binaries" section).
+>>>>
+>>>> Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ?
+>>>> That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source.  Although charging
+>>>> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses.
+>>>
+>>> So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it,
+>>> since it would be charging for the software.
+>>>
+>>> That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it.
+>>
+>> Charging for the media is not charging for the software.
+>
+> Reread again http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html :
+>
+> "If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are
+> distributing, you may not charge for that product. By not charging, we
+> mean the Mozilla product must be without cost and its distribution
+> (whether by download or other media) may not be subject to a fee, or
+> tied to subscribing to or purchasing a service, or the collection of
+> personal information."
+>
+> Let me highlight a part of the quote
+>
+> "its distribution (whether by download or other media) may not be
+> subject to a fee"
+
+And it is not.  Anyone is free to download, without cost, from the 
+Mageia site, any software in the distribution, including all Mozilla 
+products offered.  That some people (or even Mageia itself) may choose 
+to offer an iso, containing many packages, for a fee as an extra 
+service, does not in any way restrict users having no-cost access to the 
+Mozilla products distributed by Mageia.  Mageia is offering the Mozilla 
+product without charge.
+I would say that choosing to interpret that as a fee for a Mozilla 
+product is a very obtuse interpretation.
+As well, there is no use of the Mozilla logo or trademark in this case, 
+only a package with the original Mozilla product name.
+
+> So I cannot distribute it by selling a CD, since this would subject the
+> distribution to a fee.
+
+Only if the CD contained only (or primarily) Mozilla products would I 
+say that you would reason for concern.  For an officiel Mageia iso, that 
+would be very far from the case.
+
+> The article of the FSF explicitly list this as a right for free software
+> users http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html .
+
+That is a provision of unmodified GPL, and not a requirement of all open 
+source licenses.  In fact, even the FSF admits that not all open source 
+licenses have this provision.
+
+The FSF page
+  <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses>
+lists the Xinetd license
+  <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License>
+as a free software license which is not compatible with GPL.
+
+Why ?  It cannot be redistributed for a fee.
+
+-- 
+André
+