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[Mageia-dev] default kde media player

+ Tux99 + tux99-mga at uridium.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:15:03 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
+
+Quote: jamagallon wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:38
+
+> All desktops have their own 'standard' or 'official' media players.
+> I will talk about gnome, you can translate it to kde, for which I have
+> no idea of which will be the equivalents.
+
+The 'offical' DE players are not necessarily the best choice.
+Often they are just an afterthought maintained by only few programmers
+without the same dedication as those people that maintain independent
+media players (like mplayer, vlc, xine).
+
+I have to say that vlc could be a good default choice as a video media
+player for Mageia (for all desktops), especially as it's well known in the
+Windows world too, so ideal for Linux newbies too.
+
+I also think it's best to have a default video player and a separate
+default audio player since IMHO there is no single player that is really
+good for both.
+
+My favourite audio player is Audacious.
+
+> I think nowadays the default official players are capable of playing
+> the main formats everybody will use (XVid, DiVX, h264, mpeg, mp3 or
+> ac3 audio, etc...).
+
+It is very unlikely that Mageia will have all those codecs by default,
+since Mageia decided to only include codecs that are safe everywhere in
+the world.
+Personally I would have thought it would have been a great selling point
+for Mageia if it had included by default all codecs that are safe in
+France, taking advantage of the friendlier patent laws in Europe and
+therefore gained a competitive advantage compared to other US
+based/oriented distros.
+
+By the way aren't mpeg2 and ac3 covered by patents in the US too?
+I'm surprised these are included in Mageia.
+
+
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+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:27:48 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 21:52 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 16:35:25 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+> > Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 12:17:11, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> > > > Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:22:36 schreef nicolas vigier:
+> > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> > > > > > Hi,
+> > > > > > 
+> > > > > > for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+> > > > > > 
+> > > > > >  - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before
+> > > > > >  submitting - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+> > > > > > 
+> > > > > > i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the
+> > > > > > following
+> > > > > > 
+> > > > > > requirements:
+> > > > > >  - mageia system (not mandriva)
+> > > > > >  - preferably headless
+> > > > > >  - ssh on by default
+> > > > > >  - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+> > > > > >  - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots
+> > > > > >  on it. also
+> > > > > > 
+> > > > > > cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking
+> > > > > > and what else a buildnode normally does.
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > This can be done using iurt.
+> > > > 
+> > > > so, how exactly does this work? iurt automagically build basesystem
+> > > > chroots and chrootbuilds stuff? is there any task that is needed for
+> > > > this kind of thing?
+> > > 
+> > > Yes. See iurt package. And iurt config file used on the cluster :
+> > > http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.ca
+> > > ul dron.conf?revision=734&view=markup
+> > > 
+> > > > > >  - no signing step
+> > > > > >  - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for
+> > > > > >  downloading. - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission
+> > > > > >  tree so submitting
+> > > > > > 
+> > > > > > could also be practised.
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+> > > > > http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/
+> > > > 
+> > > > well, i donno, i don't know puppet and this is not meant to be used in
+> > > > a controlled environment, but just built like this and people use it
+> > > > locally. there is not really any need to remote control this machine.
+> > > > just a one time setup.
+> > > 
+> > > The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+> > > will be more difficult.
+> > 
+> > Could someone from the sysadmins write (if it has not been done already) a
+> > quick guide for puppet use, for example "how to deploy a buildnode using
+> > puppet" ? I guess that would help Maarteen a lot :)
+> > 
+> > Samuel
+> 
+> It would help Maarten a lot :-)
+
+- install puppet 
+- take the svn of admin 
+   svn co svn://svn.mageia.org/adm/ /etc/puppet/ 
+
+and then something like :
+puppetd --test --tags buildnode 
+
+( not sure about this )
+
+However, I do not recommend this, as I think what maarten want is to
+have iurt, not the whole scheduling system and upload system of the
+build system.
+ 
+> one extra question, if i use puppet to install it, it will be exactly like the 
+> current buildnode now?
+
+Well our buildnode run on mandriva, your vm will likely be a mageia. So
+that's already a difference.
+
+> but is puppet then installed on it? because i don't want to give people the 
+> impression that if they install this vm, that the mageia sysadmins would have 
+> full control over their vm...
+
+Well, if puppet is started and start to put our ssh keys as root, yes,
+we will have access to the vm, provided that 1) we have network access
+2) time to lose on this ( neither are credible possibility ).
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ nicolas vigier + boklm at mars-attacks.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:28:18 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+
+> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+>
+>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+>>
+>>>> If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+>>>> complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+>>>> it! :)
+>>>
+>>> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+>>> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+>>> rename/rebrand it.
+>>
+>> Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+>
+> Same rules AFAIK, see
+>   http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
+
+So we may have the same problem with firefox and thunderbird ?
+
+Does anyone know if we had to request permission to use firefox and
+thunderbird trademarks ?
+
+
+ + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:35:18 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 00:28 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+> 
+> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+> >
+> >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+> >>
+> >>>> If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+> >>>> complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+> >>>> it! :)
+> >>>
+> >>> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+> >>> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+> >>> rename/rebrand it.
+> >>
+> >> Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+> >
+> > Same rules AFAIK, see
+> >   http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
+> 
+> So we may have the same problem with firefox and thunderbird ?
+> 
+> Does anyone know if we had to request permission to use firefox and
+> thunderbird trademarks ?
+
+For mandriva, it was done IIRC, but I think that sharing a part of the
+building eased the dialog :)
+
+-- 
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+
+
+ + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ nicolas vigier + boklm at mars-attacks.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:39:47 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
+
+> 
+> 
+> Quote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:26
+> ----------------------------------------------------
+> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+> > 
+> > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+> > >
+> > >> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the
+> > license
+> > >> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have
+> > to
+> > >> rename/rebrand it.
+> > >
+> > > Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+> > 
+> > Same rules AFAIK, see
+> >    http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
+> 
+> I don't see why we need to change the name. The policy says:
+> 
+> "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config
+> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need
+> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for
+> your compiled version."
+
+We are not using unmodified source code for firefox :
+http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/
+
+And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs :
+http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/
+
+Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not
+seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the
+"Unaltered Binaries" section).
+
+So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the
+"Modifications" section.
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] default kde media player

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:41:42 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
IMHO, we should stick with dragon, it's a "simple" player usable for
+average users; also there's a good chance upstream will switch to
+phonon-vlc (or Mageia may switch to phonon-vlc when it stabilises
+more), so the best of both worlds :)
+(at such time it'll be easier to just add vlc main package as it won't
+add much space, and phonon*gstreamer* stuff won't have to be on the
+ISO, so the net weight should balance out...).
+
+Also we should be thinking about the size of the Live ISO, putting
+vlc/mplayer/smplayer will bring more weight, and it'll be at the
+expense of some other useful packages that should exist on the ISO (we
+shouldn't forget users use the Live ISO as a test-run, demonstration
+of what a distro offers... etc).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] default kde media player

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 00:44:22 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 23:38 +0100, JA Magallón a écrit :
+> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:10:59 +0100, Rémi Verschelde <rverschelde at gmail.com> wrote:
+> 
+> > When you say "media" player, does it concern stricty video playing or
+> > should the default media player be suitable for both video and audio?
+> > Personally I like to keep these two separated, I feel that a
+> > specialised player will best fulfil its purpose than a multimedia
+> > player like Windows Media Player.
+> > 
+> 
+> Just a note for all this discussion, it is just my point of view...
+> 
+> All desktops have their own 'standard' or 'official' media players.
+> I will talk about gnome, you can translate it to kde, for which I have
+> no idea of which will be the equivalents.
+> 
+> In Gnome, the official video player is totem, and the official
+> backend is gstreamer. So both things should be installed by default
+> and with all the codecs needed. if someone says 'I want support for
+> XViD in the default Gnome install', well, you should install the needed
+> gstreamer module. So everything should be supported by the standard
+> official player.
+
+In the case of gstreamer, there is packagekit and on demand installation
+of codecs.
+
+> After that, you can install other players, better if they fit the
+> desktop. For example, after totem I would vote for gnome-mplayer,
+> the Gnome front end for mplayer. And after that, other 'foreign'
+> players like VLC or the like.
+> 
+> So what would I put in distrib ISO ? totem and main bunch of
+> gstreamer codecs, that carries no dicussion, and if there is still
+> space, gnome-mplayer and mplayer.
+> 
+> I suppose the same can be thought for KDE. Install whatever the
+> default phonon-based player is, and if there is space, others.
+> 
+> I think nowadays the default official players are capable of playing
+> the main formats everybody will use (XVid, DiVX, h264, mpeg, mp3 or
+> ac3 audio, etc...).
+
+Well, yes, that's also our duty to others free software project to offer
+a cohesive and integrated system respecting their choice.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
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[Mageia-dev] Will mageia keep the bugs in Mandriva

+ wolf python london + lyh19901223 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 01:12:39 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
hey all,
+
+I'm a mandriva (2010.2) user for the time being . I just saw a missing
+packages list(http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages).
+And I have to say that I cannot stand the bugs in mandriva (2010.2).
+I can list some of them:
+1) scim-googlepinyin  sometime( no , exactly often) failed to work .
+This is a bugs in googlepinyin input method(source code has problem) ,
+so it shouldn't include in the released distros ,but Mandriva do
+include .
+
+2) scim conflict with emacs23
+it's a very ,very BIG problem . emacs23 has a good support of mule and
+work well with scim in other distros such Debian . But in Mandriva
+users cannot use scim in emacs, which sucks!!
+
+3)qt creator cannot compile the source code .it's tricky that qt
+creator in mandriva often adds some verbose arguments to g++,which
+leads
+the compilation failed .
+
+4)python(2.x,3.x) doesn't shipped a GUI idle. Idle is the std IDE
+shipped with python interpreter . I know in the /usr dir(I'm not in my
+mandriva box,
+and cannot remmember the exact path ),there is a idle.py script.  But
+since it's a GUI IDE, why not let someone can use it by mouse click?
+
+There are some other bugs with Mandriva. There are not so many people
+use Mandriva here ,maybe the majorities  turn to  Ubuntu .
+can I guess Mandriva users get lost ? And the package maintainers add
+the packages without much enough testing ?
+And I'm not reporting mandriva bugs to mageia . I just recommend that
+mageia cannot  include the packages without serious consideration
+(from
+mandriva).As far as this aspect concerned ,Debian is a good example to learn.
+
+
+-- 
+________________________
+wolf python london(WPL)
+Do as you soul should do !
+________________________
+
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[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM

+ nicolas vigier + boklm at mars-attacks.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 01:30:33 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+
+> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 12:17:11, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> > > Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:22:36 schreef nicolas vigier:
+> > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> > > > > Hi,
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+> > > > > 
+> > > > >  - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before
+> > > > >  submitting - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the
+> > > > > following
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > requirements:
+> > > > >  - mageia system (not mandriva)
+> > > > >  - preferably headless
+> > > > >  - ssh on by default
+> > > > >  - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+> > > > >  - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots on
+> > > > >  it. also
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking and
+> > > > > what else a buildnode normally does.
+> > > > 
+> > > > This can be done using iurt.
+> > > 
+> > > so, how exactly does this work? iurt automagically build basesystem
+> > > chroots and chrootbuilds stuff? is there any task that is needed for
+> > > this kind of thing?
+> > 
+> > Yes. See iurt package. And iurt config file used on the cluster :
+> > http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.caul
+> > dron.conf?revision=734&view=markup
+> > 
+> > > > >  - no signing step
+> > > > >  - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for
+> > > > >  downloading. - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission
+> > > > >  tree so submitting
+> > > > > 
+> > > > > could also be practised.
+> > > > 
+> > > > You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+> > > > 
+> > > > You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+> > > > http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/
+> > > 
+> > > well, i donno, i don't know puppet and this is not meant to be used in a
+> > > controlled environment, but just built like this and people use it
+> > > locally. there is not really any need to remote control this machine.
+> > > just a one time setup.
+> > 
+> > The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+> > will be more difficult.
+> 
+> Could someone from the sysadmins write (if it has not been done already) a 
+> quick guide for puppet use, for example "how to deploy a buildnode using 
+> puppet" ? I guess that would help Maarteen a lot :)
+
+You will need to checkout the /puppet/modules directory.
+
+Then look at /puppet/manifests/nodes.pp (and the other .pp files from
+that directory) and use it as an example to create your own puppet files
+which include only the modules you want.
+
+Then fix some bugs, because there will probably be problems, as I don't
+know if someone already tried this yet.
+
+So it requires to know puppet, and the build system, and spend some time
+to make it work.
+
+So this is not easy. I think it could be nice later to be able to
+provide something to install a buildsystem easily. But it's not yet done.
+And probably not what you want if you only want to rebuild some
+packages in a chroot, iurt is enough for this.
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Will mageia keep the bugs in Mandriva

+ Dexter Morgan + dmorganec at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 02:06:17 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:12 AM, wolf python london
+<lyh19901223 at gmail.com> wrote:
+> hey all,
+>
+> I'm a mandriva (2010.2) user for the time being . I just saw a missing
+> packages list(http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages).
+> And I have to say that I cannot stand the bugs in mandriva (2010.2).
+> I can list some of them:
+> 1) scim-googlepinyin  sometime( no , exactly often) failed to work .
+> This is a bugs in googlepinyin input method(source code has problem) ,
+> so it shouldn't include in the released distros ,but Mandriva do
+> include .
+>
+> 2) scim conflict with emacs23
+> it's a very ,very BIG problem . emacs23 has a good support of mule and
+> work well with scim in other distros such Debian . But in Mandriva
+> users cannot use scim in emacs, which sucks!!
+>
+> 3)qt creator cannot compile the source code .it's tricky that qt
+> creator in mandriva often adds some verbose arguments to g++,which
+> leads
+> the compilation failed .
+>
+> 4)python(2.x,3.x) doesn't shipped a GUI idle. Idle is the std IDE
+> shipped with python interpreter . I know in the /usr dir(I'm not in my
+> mandriva box,
+> and cannot remmember the exact path ),there is a idle.py script.  But
+> since it's a GUI IDE, why not let someone can use it by mouse click?
+>
+> There are some other bugs with Mandriva. There are not so many people
+> use Mandriva here ,maybe the majorities  turn to  Ubuntu .
+> can I guess Mandriva users get lost ? And the package maintainers add
+> the packages without much enough testing ?
+> And I'm not reporting mandriva bugs to mageia . I just recommend that
+> mageia cannot  include the packages without serious consideration
+> (from
+> mandriva).As far as this aspect concerned ,Debian is a good example to learn.
+>
+>
+> --
+> ________________________
+> wolf python london(WPL)
+> Do as you soul should do !
+> ________________________
+>
+
+hi,
+
+our goal is to fix the most bugs as possible.
+
+What i can tell to you is to install mageia, and report us the bugs
+you see and we will try to fix them the quicker as possible.
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Will mageia keep the bugs in Mandriva

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 02:22:22 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
+> 4)python(2.x,3.x) doesn't shipped a GUI idle. Idle is the std IDE
+> shipped with python interpreter . I know in the /usr dir(I'm not in my
+> mandriva box,
+> and cannot remmember the exact path ),there is a idle.py script.  But
+> since it's a GUI IDE, why not let someone can use it by mouse click?
+
+That's not a bug, Idle is shipped in another rpm. I do not want to have
+a desktop file appearing when any python software is installed, as this
+will only confuse most users that do not care about crust, idle or stuff
+like that. Even I , as the python maintainer and a python developper, I
+never click on the icon ( nor use it ). Install tkinter-apps if you want
+it.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 02:26:18 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 17:41 +0100, xi a écrit :
+> Michael Scherer wrote:
+>
+> > So I assume that you ( or tux99 ) are ready to test it, or better to
+> > maintain it ?
+> > 
+> > Because I do not have the hardware to test, do not plan to try to find
+> > it, and my time is quite limited. So I will not work on it if I cannot
+> > check that it work, and if no one does the job, it doesn't happen by
+> > itself.
+> 
+> Same as Tux99 here: I have two old PIII PC with ISA sound cards, both 
+> running a mandriva 2008 for multimedia purposes.
+> 
+> Ok to test, but I can't promise I will do that as fast as you would need...
+>
+> Basically, I will test alpha2 ISO and report whether this package works 
+> or not. Is it ok for the Mageia "schedule"?
+
+Well, as I said, I do not need it ( my own old P1 died some years ago ),
+you do.
+
+So the question is "is this fast enough to have it shipped for stable
+release", and the answer is yes ( provided someone clean and import
+it ).
+
+Thanks for your futur help.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ Tux99 + tux99-mga at uridium.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 03:06:51 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
+
+Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 00:39
+
+> So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the
+> "Modifications" section.
+
+I think you are right and I think it might be rather urgent given that
+Firefox is already in on the mirrors and in the alpha1 isos.
+
+-- 
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+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ Tux99 + tux99-mga at uridium.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 04:11:07 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
+
+I just downloaded the latest Seamonkey 2.0.12 SRPM from Mandriva cooker and
+rebuilt it on my Mageia VM and it built flawlessly, I only had to remove
+all the obsolete "%if %mdkversion" sections, but all dependecies are
+available in Mageia.
+So technically importing Seamonkey into Mageia seems straightforward, the
+only issue is licensing (as for Firefox).
+
+Christiaan I'm a newbie packager here at Mageia so personally I'd much
+prefer if you maintain this package for Mageia, it looks far too complex
+for me. :)
+
+-- 
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+
+ + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] The solution of the epoll voting issue

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 04:57:01 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi,
+
+when we voted for packagers representatives, several people had issues
+with epoll and with mail being sent. It turn out that I found the
+problem by chance tonight and it was a conjunction of several problems :
+
+- our setup was ( and is still ) sub-optimally configured. We do check
+spam when receiving mail, and also when sending mail. While this could
+help the system by giving him normal mail ( ie ham ), this waste some
+ressources. 
+
+- we have a quite strict antispam, ie the latest version of
+spamassassin, and we disabled nothing. There is a impressive range of
+plugins nowadays.
+
+For people that do not know the principle, spamassassin take the mail to
+look, check it against a huge corpus of rules and plugins, and assign a
+score for each. If the score cross a threshold, it is discarded ( or
+tagged ). 
+
+It seems that some ballots sent with Anne email ( being ennael1 at gmail ,
+the 1 is important ) triggered 3 checks : 
+
+ NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2
+
+this one is related to DKIM ( a norm about cryptographic authentication,
+see wikipedia for details ). I guess it was badly configured on our
+side. 
+
+ FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=2.223,
+
+SA detected that the From was using gmail, a popular free webmail, and
+that the email was finished by a number. And SA developpers think that
+statically sign of a spam ( based on a corpus of spam, see with them for
+the details ).
+
+ FREEMAIL_REPLY=2.499, 
+
+This one is slightly more subtle. SA detected that From: header was a
+free webmail address, but that there was another email in body, and that
+email was also a free webmail ( if you read your spam, you may have seen
+this pattern : "I am John, the CTO of this foreign company, I want to
+invest in your country, please answer me on
+john at free_web_mail.example.org ", and that's what is detected right
+now ). Again, that's based on their stats.
+
+
+Total score : 4.924 ( there was a -1 as this was from a trusted ip, and
+some 0.001 )
+
+Score to be killed : 4.7 
+
+Headshot.
+
+
+So that explain why people who were affected were those on gmail, yahoo
+or  laposte.net, and while the one with their own domain ( me, boklm,
+etc ), were not affected. That doesn't explain why we didn't think to
+look at this however :/
+
+Sorry about that, now we established the problem was on our side.
+
+
+So, what is plan to prevent this for next time. 
+First, we will make sure that people who use epoll :
+- are not scrubbed for spam ( but I tought I did it )
+- do not use a email that will trigger SA checks.
+
+
+A naive solution would be to lower the score on our server, but this
+will not solve the problem that the rest of the network will use a
+default spamassassin ( or a version with the same settings ), and so
+would likely refuse the spam on their side.  So in the end, the result
+will likely just make us receive more spam.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?

+ Remco Rijnders + remco at webconquest.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 08:14:05 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:40:31PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
+>> 2) @mageia.org lessens the personal spam problem, and looks more
+>> official as well.
+>
+>It doesn't lessen the problem, it move it to someone else ( ie, sysadmin
+>team ).
+
+But the sysadmin team will have to do this task already anyways (and might 
+be better equipped to do it than someone receiving mail on their personal 
+domain with non public addresses).
+
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[Mageia-dev] database servers

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 08:30:21 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi,
+
+because of the alpha2 iso thread I was just looking at the available database 
+servers in Mageia.
+Especially keeping my eye on postgres.
+
+At the moment, we have only one version of postgres: postgresql9.0-9.0.2. I 
+would like to have at least posgresql8.4 as well for compatibility reasons. 
+Even between minor version changes of postgres, there sometimes are changes in 
+the database format or the syntax which force you to rewrite a lot of 
+application code using postgres and dump your databases, update and restore 
+them.
+Normally this is working nicely, but if you are using extensions to postgres 
+like postgis and so on (which may or may not be packaged and thus be selve 
+compiled), it can be a pain in the ass.
+
+I (as a padawan packager) feel not up to packaging something like postgres, so 
+I would like to ask if someone else would?
+
+On a related item I would like to ask, if we are going to provide mariadb as 
+an alternative for mysql.
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release wine-gecko-1.1.0-2.mga1

+ Thierry Vignaud + thierry.vignaud at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 08:41:02 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 11 March 2011 00:04, Mageia Team <buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org> wrote:
+> ahmad <ahmad> 1.1.0-2.mga1:
+> + Revision: 67279
+> - imported package wine-gecko
+
+This one is 32bit only.
+However I was under the impression that newer versions work on x86_64 too
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 09:33:10 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op vrijdag 11 maart 2011 00:27:48 schreef Michael Scherer:
+> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 21:52 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> > Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 16:35:25 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+> > > Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 12:17:11, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> > > > The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+> > > > will be more difficult.
+> > > 
+> > > Could someone from the sysadmins write (if it has not been done
+> > > already) a quick guide for puppet use, for example "how to deploy a
+> > > buildnode using puppet" ? I guess that would help Maarteen a lot :)
+> > > 
+> > > Samuel
+> > 
+> > It would help Maarten a lot :-)
+> 
+> - install puppet
+> - take the svn of admin
+>    svn co svn://svn.mageia.org/adm/ /etc/puppet/
+> 
+> and then something like :
+> puppetd --test --tags buildnode
+> 
+> ( not sure about this )
+> 
+> However, I do not recommend this, as I think what maarten want is to
+> have iurt, not the whole scheduling system and upload system of the
+> build system.
+
+it would be a nice feature to have some kind of buildnode-alike for padawans 
+to be able to try submission, but i think the benefits are very slim, not 
+enough to warrant time spent on making that work, imho.
+
+> > one extra question, if i use puppet to install it, it will be exactly
+> > like the current buildnode now?
+> 
+> Well our buildnode run on mandriva, your vm will likely be a mageia. So
+> that's already a difference.
+> 
+> > but is puppet then installed on it? because i don't want to give people
+> > the impression that if they install this vm, that the mageia sysadmins
+> > would have full control over their vm...
+> 
+> Well, if puppet is started and start to put our ssh keys as root, yes,
+> we will have access to the vm, provided that 1) we have network access
+> 2) time to lose on this ( neither are credible possibility ).
+
+True, but from security purposes, that's not a good idea. better would be at 
+that moment to just remove puppet from VM, IMHO.
+
+
+
+yeah, so i'm gonna see how far it get with iurt...
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ Romain d'Alverny + rdalverny at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 10:33:04 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 00:35, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+> Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 00:28 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+>> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+>> >>> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+>> >>> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+>> >>> rename/rebrand it.
+>> >>
+>> >> Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+>> >
+>> > Same rules AFAIK, see
+>> >   http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
+
+Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end
+of 2010, that was related to this?
+
+>> Does anyone know if we had to request permission to use firefox and
+>> thunderbird trademarks ?
+>
+> For mandriva, it was done IIRC, but I think that sharing a part of the
+> building eased the dialog :)
+
+If needed, I can forward the request through the Mozilla Europe guys
+(across the street) who will certainly route us to the right people to
+ask.
+
+As far as I remember, having discussed about that with them in the
+past, there are two orthogonal product visions at stake here; so even
+in the long run, that will certainly be beneficial to work upstream to
+ease Firefox packaging and tuning on Linux platforms in general (and
+Mageia in particular).
+
+Romain
+
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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ nicolas vigier + boklm at mars-attacks.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 10:51:12 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+
+> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 00:35, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+> > Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 00:28 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+> >> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+> >> >>> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+> >> >>> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+> >> >>> rename/rebrand it.
+> >> >>
+> >> >> Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+> >> >
+> >> > Same rules AFAIK, see
+> >> >   http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
+> 
+> Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end
+> of 2010, that was related to this?
+
+Yes :
+http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933
+
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] database servers

+ Olivier Thauvin + nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 10:54:39 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
* Oliver Burger (oliver.bgr at googlemail.com) wrote:
+> Hi,
+> 
+> because of the alpha2 iso thread I was just looking at the available database 
+> servers in Mageia.
+> Especially keeping my eye on postgres.
+> 
+> At the moment, we have only one version of postgres: postgresql9.0-9.0.2. I 
+> would like to have at least posgresql8.4 as well for compatibility reasons. 
+> Even between minor version changes of postgres, there sometimes are changes in 
+> the database format or the syntax which force you to rewrite a lot of 
+> application code using postgres and dump your databases, update and restore 
+> them.
+> Normally this is working nicely, but if you are using extensions to postgres 
+> like postgis and so on (which may or may not be packaged and thus be selve 
+> compiled), it can be a pain in the ass.
+> 
+> I (as a padawan packager) feel not up to packaging something like postgres, so 
+> I would like to ask if someone else would?
+
+I'll do it ASAP.
+
+But you have to know I did the hardest part of the work
+in mandriva and now packaging postgresq is quite easy, including
+updating to minor version.
+
+> 
+> On a related item I would like to ask, if we are going to provide mariadb as 
+> an alternative for mysql.
+> 
+> Oliver
+-- 
+
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[Mageia-dev] Keep my account alive, i'm coming back!

+ Cazzaniga Sandro + cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 10:57:17 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi,
+
+So, guys, Sorry for my bad choice, I would like you to keep my account
+alive because I come back (if you wish) in mageia adventure!
+
+My apologies to all the team and my thanks also.
+
+Cheers!
+-- 
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net)
+Software/Hardware geek
+Perl dev
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Keep my account alive, i'm coming back!

+ Colin Guthrie + mageia at colin.guthr.ie +
+ Fri Mar 11 11:34:05 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
'Twas brillig, and Cazzaniga Sandro at 11/03/11 09:57 did gyre and gimble:
+> Hi,
+> 
+> So, guys, Sorry for my bad choice, I would like you to keep my account
+> alive because I come back (if you wish) in mageia adventure!
+> 
+> My apologies to all the team and my thanks also.
+
+\o/
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+http://colin.guthr.ie/
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/]
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor [http://www.mageia.org/]
+  PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/]
+  Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/]
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 12:00:14 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 09:33 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> Op vrijdag 11 maart 2011 00:27:48 schreef Michael Scherer:
+> > Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 21:52 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> > > Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 16:35:25 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+> > > > Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 12:17:11, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> > > > > The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+> > > > > will be more difficult.
+> > > > 
+> > > > Could someone from the sysadmins write (if it has not been done
+> > > > already) a quick guide for puppet use, for example "how to deploy a
+> > > > buildnode using puppet" ? I guess that would help Maarteen a lot :)
+> > > > 
+> > > > Samuel
+> > > 
+> > > It would help Maarten a lot :-)
+> > 
+> > - install puppet
+> > - take the svn of admin
+> >    svn co svn://svn.mageia.org/adm/ /etc/puppet/
+> > 
+> > and then something like :
+> > puppetd --test --tags buildnode
+> > 
+> > ( not sure about this )
+> > 
+> > However, I do not recommend this, as I think what maarten want is to
+> > have iurt, not the whole scheduling system and upload system of the
+> > build system.
+> 
+> it would be a nice feature to have some kind of buildnode-alike for padawans 
+> to be able to try submission, but i think the benefits are very slim, not 
+> enough to warrant time spent on making that work, imho.
+
+Instruction on how to replicate our build system would be nice. It would
+not be that hard to write, just :
+- install X vm
+- make them communicate for network, using proper name 
+- install proper dns resolution 
+- do a svn checkout in /etc/puppet
+- set up puppet ( some package to install, 3*X commands to type )
+- enjoy
+
+
+> 
+> yeah, so i'm gonna see how far it get with iurt...
+
+Having a working out of the box package of iurt would be a killer
+feature. Fedora does offer mock for that, and that's quite handy.
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Keep my account alive, i'm coming back!

+ P. Christeas + p_christ at hol.gr +
+ Fri Mar 11 11:58:35 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Friday 11 March 2011, Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
+> Hi,
+> 
+> So, guys, Sorry for my bad choice, I would like you to keep my account
+> alive because I come back (if you wish) in mageia adventure!
+> 
+> My apologies to all the team and my thanks also.
+
+Thank you!
+
+Not having any hard feelings about Mandriva, I still wish we could easily 
+contribute to both distros (if not even more than these).
+
+
+-- 
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+
+ + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package

+ Romain d'Alverny + rdalverny at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 12:15:40 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:51, nicolas vigier <boklm at mars-attacks.org> wrote:
+> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+>> Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end
+>> of 2010, that was related to this?
+>
+> Yes :
+> http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933
+
+Right, thanks. But that doesn't solve the trademark usage issue,
+actually. So the question is still open.
+
+Romain
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] database servers

+ Frank Griffin + ftg at roadrunner.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 12:49:56 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Oliver Burger wrote:
+> Normally this is working nicely, but if you are using extensions to postgres 
+> like postgis and so on (which may or may not be packaged and thus be selve 
+> compiled), it can be a pain in the ass.
+>   
+
+"can be" --> "usually is".
+
+I don't actually use postgre, but I have historically installed it to
+have it available as an option.  Every time the packages update, there
+are conflicts that prevent seamless installation.  IIRC this is due to
+the desire to keep old versions around, Unfortunately, the new and old
+packages usually have conflicts that prevent them being installed
+side-by-side.  I'm not sure if the expectation is that users will delay
+the install of the new until they've dumped their databases using the
+old, and then manually uninstall the old, but this breaks seamless updates.
+
+If multiple versions are needed, please eliminate the conflicts between
+the packages.
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Keep my account alive, i'm coming back!

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 13:23:37 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 12:58 +0200, P. Christeas a écrit :
+> On Friday 11 March 2011, Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
+> > Hi,
+> > 
+> > So, guys, Sorry for my bad choice, I would like you to keep my account
+> > alive because I come back (if you wish) in mageia adventure!
+> > 
+> > My apologies to all the team and my thanks also.
+> 
+> Thank you!
+> 
+> Not having any hard feelings about Mandriva, I still wish we could easily 
+> contribute to both distros (if not even more than these).
+
+It quite easy, just work upstream. Patchs to kde, kernel, gnom, perl
+will sooner or later land on distributions.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM

+ philippe makowski + makowski.mageia at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 14:07:08 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/3/11 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+> Having a working out of the box package of iurt would be a killer
+> feature. Fedora does offer mock for that, and that's quite handy.
++1
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release wine-gecko-1.1.0-2.mga1

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 14:51:58 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 11 March 2011 09:41, Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On 11 March 2011 00:04, Mageia Team <buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org> wrote:
+>> ahmad <ahmad> 1.1.0-2.mga1:
+>> + Revision: 67279
+>> - imported package wine-gecko
+>
+> This one is 32bit only.
+> However I was under the impression that newer versions work on x86_64 too
+>
+
+>From the spec, by Anssi:
+“# We would need a mingw64 crosscompiler for a 64-bit binary.
+# NOTE: building this package as-is on x86_64 will build a 32-bit
+binary instead.
+ExclusiveArch:  %ix86”
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Keep my account alive, i'm coming back!

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 15:13:12 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op vrijdag 11 maart 2011 13:23:37 schreef Michael Scherer:
+> It quite easy, just work upstream. Patchs to kde, kernel, gnom, perl
+> will sooner or later land on distributions.
+
++1
+
+ + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] default kde media player

+ Remy CLOUARD + shikamaru at mandriva.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 16:45:53 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:44:22AM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
+> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 23:38 +0100, JA Magallón a écrit :
+> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:10:59 +0100, Rémi Verschelde <rverschelde at gmail.com> wrote:
+> > 
+> > > When you say "media" player, does it concern stricty video playing or
+> > > should the default media player be suitable for both video and audio?
+> > > Personally I like to keep these two separated, I feel that a
+> > > specialised player will best fulfil its purpose than a multimedia
+> > > player like Windows Media Player.
+> > > 
+> > 
+> > Just a note for all this discussion, it is just my point of view...
+> > 
+> > All desktops have their own 'standard' or 'official' media players.
+> > I will talk about gnome, you can translate it to kde, for which I have
+> > no idea of which will be the equivalents.
+> > 
+> > In Gnome, the official video player is totem, and the official
+> > backend is gstreamer. So both things should be installed by default
+> > and with all the codecs needed. if someone says 'I want support for
+> > XViD in the default Gnome install', well, you should install the needed
+> > gstreamer module. So everything should be supported by the standard
+> > official player.
+> 
+> In the case of gstreamer, there is packagekit and on demand installation
+> of codecs.
+> 
+> > After that, you can install other players, better if they fit the
+> > desktop. For example, after totem I would vote for gnome-mplayer,
+> > the Gnome front end for mplayer. And after that, other 'foreign'
+> > players like VLC or the like.
+> > 
+> > So what would I put in distrib ISO ? totem and main bunch of
+> > gstreamer codecs, that carries no dicussion, and if there is still
+> > space, gnome-mplayer and mplayer.
+> > 
+> > I suppose the same can be thought for KDE. Install whatever the
+> > default phonon-based player is, and if there is space, others.
+> > 
+> > I think nowadays the default official players are capable of playing
+> > the main formats everybody will use (XVid, DiVX, h264, mpeg, mp3 or
+> > ac3 audio, etc...).
+> 
+> Well, yes, that's also our duty to others free software project to offer
+> a cohesive and integrated system respecting their choice.
+> 
+> -- 
+> Michael Scherer
+> 
+Ok, so let’s drop firefox too, install epiphany and konqueror instead.
+(maybe those are already installed aside firefox ?)
+
+If we follow one way, let’s be consistent with that ;)
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[Mageia-dev] Some new screensavers

+ Donald Stewart + watersnowrock at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 18:05:10 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Having noticed that the current ones were still the MDV ones, I made
+some new ones specific for Mageia, The Source rpm can be found here:
+http://www.mediafire.com/file/u2nt619b6z6yai9/Mageia-Background-Project-2011-1.mga1.src.rpm
+
+RDA asked me to post it here so that a packager can have a look and do
+whats needed to get it imported, hopefully in time for alpha 2.
+
+The spec has stuff in it to build lots of other artwork stuff, so
+maybe it would be simpler to just replace the screensavers in
+mageia-theme with these ones?
+
+Thanks
+Donald Stewart
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Anne nicolas + ennael1 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 18:05:39 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi there
+
+Isos release is in progress. As stated during last packagers meeting
+please stop major updates on base packages to avoid breakages for
+isos.
+
+Cheers
+
+-- 
+Anne
+http://www.mageia.org
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Angelo Naselli + anaselli at linux.it +
+ Fri Mar 11 18:17:31 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
In data venerdì 11 marzo 2011 18:05:39, Anne nicolas ha scritto:
+> Hi there
+> 
+> Isos release is in progress. As stated during last packagers meeting
+> please stop major updates on base packages to avoid breakages for
+> isos.
+> 
+> Cheers
+\o/
+When do you think the process is over... more or less?
+
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[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM

+ Thierry Vignaud + thierry.vignaud at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 19:32:34 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 11 March 2011 12:00, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+>> yeah, so i'm gonna see how far it get with iurt...
+>
+> Having a working out of the box package of iurt would be a killer
+> feature. Fedora does offer mock for that, and that's quite handy.
+
+until you want to build packages for RHEL.
+RHN satellite doesn't export its packages as yum repositories.
+So you have to either play with mrepo or have a build machine per RHEL version,
+with subscriptions to every channel.
+Plus you've to wrote mock config file (not hard) in the former case.
+In the second case, you've to patch mock in order to use rhn plugin.
+
+On the other hand, iurt only needs an URL.
+We only have to add support for config files that would embed
+"$RELEASE.$ARCH" like URIs
+so that we use whatever mirrors are the best/are available.
+Sg like:
+/etc/iurt/mga-cauldaron.cfg:
+URI=http://api.mageia.org/...
+ARCH=x86_64
+
+/etc/iurt/mdv-2011.cfg:
+URL=http://api.mandriva.com/distributions/basic.i586.list?product=Powerpack
+ARCH=i586
+
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[Mageia-dev] artwork team, packager/dev assistance needed

+ Thierry Vignaud + thierry.vignaud at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 19:35:02 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 10 March 2011 12:17, Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny at gmail.com> wrote:
+> Hi there,
+>
+> artwork team is getting its hands on the bootstrap and installer
+> processes; backgrounds/screensavers are incoming too; and it will need
+> to do so on the graphic theme (ia ora so far).
+>
+> For now, the team needs assistance from packagers/developers on these modules:
+>  - drakx (installer - perl/gtk skills/interest needed)
+>  - theme (bootstrap, hibernate, shutdown, backgrounds, screensavers -
+> plymouth skills/interest needed)
+>
+> to help to:
+>  - better understand how graphics/animations are and can be used (and
+> maybe, later, build quick mockup tools);
+>  - replace them;
+>  - cleanup (remove obsolete stuff, maybe break these modules into
+> smaller, more to-the-point ones);
+>  - document (help future artwork and dev people to get a better grasp
+> on these modules).
+>
+> This is not for alpha2 (although a quick overview would be welcome)
+> but for beta1 (and later of course); work would start at once anyway.
+>
+> Volunteers? if you are, please join mageia-artwork@ and/or #mageia-artwork.
+
+I can describe where/how to change drakx & mcc artwork
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Anne nicolas + ennael1 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 20:59:18 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/3/11 Angelo Naselli <anaselli at linux.it>:
+> In data venerdì 11 marzo 2011 18:05:39, Anne nicolas ha scritto:
+>> Hi there
+>>
+>> Isos release is in progress. As stated during last packagers meeting
+>> please stop major updates on base packages to avoid breakages for
+>> isos.
+>>
+>> Cheers
+> \o/
+> When do you think the process is over... more or less?
+
+isos are planned for 15th so 14th evening the latest
+
+>
+> --
+>        Angelo
+>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Anne
+http://www.mageia.org
+
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Angelo Naselli + anaselli at linux.it +
+ Fri Mar 11 21:29:22 CET 2011 +

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+ +
> isos are planned for 15th so 14th evening the latest
+Great thanks
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Donald Stewart + watersnowrock at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 21:31:10 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Just a check, Anne do you know if anything happened with the new
+screensavers that I posted earlier? Or was that too late to make it
+for alpha 2?
+
+Donald.
+
+ + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Anne nicolas + ennael1 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 21:34:15 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/3/11 Donald Stewart <watersnowrock at gmail.com>:
+> Just a check, Anne do you know if anything happened with the new
+> screensavers that I posted earlier? Or was that too late to make it
+> for alpha 2?
+
+We will have a look and depending on space left on iso we may include it
+>
+> Donald.
+>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Anne
+http://www.mageia.org
+
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[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 in progress

+ Donald Stewart + watersnowrock at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 21:37:36 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 11 March 2011 15:34, Anne nicolas <ennael1 at gmail.com> wrote:
+> 2011/3/11 Donald Stewart <watersnowrock at gmail.com>:
+>> Just a check, Anne do you know if anything happened with the new
+>> screensavers that I posted earlier? Or was that too late to make it
+>> for alpha 2?
+>
+> We will have a look and depending on space left on iso we may include it
+>>
+>> Donald.
+>>
+>
+>
+>
+> --
+> Anne
+> http://www.mageia.org
+>
+
+Ok thanks, thats good to hear.
+
+Donald.
+
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[Mageia-dev] default kde media player

+ Pierre Jarillon + jarillon at abul.org +
+ Fri Mar 11 23:25:27 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 00:41:42, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
+> IMHO, we should stick with dragon, it's a "simple" player usable for
+> average users; also there's a good chance upstream will switch to
+> phonon-vlc (or Mageia may switch to phonon-vlc when it stabilises
+> more), so the best of both worlds :)
+
+A user does not want a player X or Y, we need only a player which works in 
+any case without any trouble.
+
+The file association can call a different player if is it needed for a special 
+file type. 
+For example, VLC is better than dragon to play an iso image of a DVD.
+
+-- 
+Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/
+Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
+Microsoft est à l'informatique ce que McDonald est à la gastronomie.
+
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[Mageia-dev] default kde media player

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Fri Mar 11 23:37:11 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 3/11/11, Pierre Jarillon <jarillon at abul.org> wrote:
+
+>
+> A user does not want a player X or Y, we need only a player which works in
+> any case without any trouble.
+>
+
+Agreed. Part of the enjoyment of Linux is exploring the many, many
+options for any application.
+
+A novice will be happy with an app that "just works" and when he
+outgrows that, will seek a better app.
+
+So for default, go with "just works" for most media formats.
+
+-- 
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+
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