[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA

Wed Mar 9 00:44:41 CET 2011

2011/3/8 Balcaen John <balcaen.john at gmail.com>:
+> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per Øyvind Karlsen a écrit :e
+> [...]
+>> Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too
+>> long and boring, biased and what not..
+> [...]
+> This list is not write only...
+I know, could've done better to get points across with shorter and greater
+consistence, which could've made it clearer that it was just as much an attempt
+at defusing a silly situation with some irony and sarcasm.
+> If you've got personnal problem with dmorgan just send him a personal emadon'til i
+Nope, if I'd written better and focused on how to write rather than what written
+about I probably would've succeeded better that what I find consider
+as "silly" and
+"FUD" etc. doesn't really concern me that much beyond providing some notes
+in attempt of dismissing it (which gets rather complex for situations that's
+not very straight forward) and lack of interest in dwelling at them, I
+acknowledge
+and don't care.
+
+> don't care, but i guess that ennael wrote 3 hours before this last mail from
+> you that mageia seems to have choose rpm.org so maybe we can really close this
+I'm not debating nor trying to influence any decission already done on this,
+Heck, I don't really think you find much references to me really
+attempting to do
+so in the past either, most of my posts anywhere related to it has usually just
+been answers to questions, comments to provide insights and honest offers
+of providing help and advice (and usually accompanied with the lack of interest
+in discussing or attempting to influence any decissions made clear).
+
+I'm simply *asking* for references to discussions concerning something that
+other people (ie. as in "not myself") has asked questions about somewhat
+semi-frequently asked for every now and then.
+
+> subject/thread for now instead of talking again & again about the fantastic
+> rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple commercial
+I don't really see myself touting or pushing much of an agenda in rehashing
+any old discussions, I more than once explicitly make it clear (as I've done
+several times earlier as well) that's not my goal either.
+Asking for references on the discussion isn't something I find too appropriate,
+is it? I certainly have a technical interest in it and personal
+curiosity to satisfy.
+
+I'm even outlining that if the disussion took place somewhere else and if that's
+why there's no reference to it, that's okay. At the same time I must admit
+that I'm questioning whether these discussions that claimed to have taken
+place on the mailing lists several times actually ever did so. With often a lot
+of false criticism and FUD implying rather nonsense, I find it really
+disappointing
+and hard not noticing and pointing out, in addition to the given poor taste
+implied behind such claims to begin with..
+I tried rather to get the actual information or at least hint at suggesting
+avoiding to make up such false information to begin with if that were the
+case without making it a really big issue. As you read it as something
+totally different, I'd rather speak my mind about something I otherwise intended
+to stear clear of..
+
+> here/etc etc.
+> It's just boring...
+Well, given how my attempt at dismissing a situation that I find as
+unnecessarily silly tension obviously failed to begin with, I wouldn't be
+surprised that me trailing off and writing endlessly trying to discuss
+more technical matters again about a topic that's rather complex and
+of little interest to really discuss to begin with, I'm not surprised.
+I was none the less genuinly trying to raise some questions and awareness
+of concerns about the topic brought up as it's something I have quite
+great interest in and absolutely would like being able to discuss and
+possibly helping eachother out on.
+
+For someone that seems to want work on and having seemingly similar
+ambitions for similar goals, I'm just hoping for dmorgan to better
+understand and find the technical details interesting enough to not
+getting sidetracked by this crappy rivalry and extremely childish situation
+that created by others and that I refuse to take any responsibility for
+causing to begin with.
+Most people with proper attention and focus on what they're
+working on usually tends to be able to do so, so as said, not knowing
+him, I'm genuinly hoping to be positively surprised. :)
+
+And I certainly don't expect nor even want to attract
+the interest of other people beyond those with actual interest in and/or
+insight to discuss it to begin with. Throwing buzz words back and forth,
+while rehashing FUD isn't my idea of properly creating any constructive
+discussion that I'd have any interest in..
+
+At least I *try* to mostly stay focused on *what* I attempt to, while not
+not being afraid to admit the nature of how I write it or personal bias,
+in attempt to not getting distracted by it.
+The standard response I've experienced on this list so far, with the
+exception of like 3-4 people, has pretty much been being ignored, or
+when I'm lucky like in this case, someone attacking me for all the things
+I actually never ever said and even stressed to urge make clear that
+I didn't mean to say either.
+
+At least it's somewhat of a progress with someone acknowleding the
+pink elephant in the room, even if claiming for it to be a completely
+unrelated rabid monkey for which I'm to blame for and not allowed
+to ask any questions about..
+
+So in a summarized conclusion (and as it otherwise probably would
+be interpeted as something totally different):
+* First, cut the crap (people in general), get past it, we got better
+things to do.
+
+* Secondly, if you (dmorgan) really want to achieve the better things to do
+that you mention, I'd be happy to discuss details concerning it and I don't
+really care about the which fork nor version of whatever you prefer
+nor even if you like wearing womens underwear, it's in the end just not really
+that important at all, I'd still have the interest and would find it to be
+potentially useful and think I'd still be able to provide and give some help
+regardless.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per Øyvind
+