[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?

Sat Mar 5 13:57:58 CET 2011

Op zaterdag 05 maart 2011 10:41:24 schreef Buchan Milne:
+[...]
+> So, the issues are:
+> 
+> 1)What to use in the From tag in the mail to the changelog list.
+> 
+> Mandriva: From: Full Name <devel at mandriva...>
+> Mageia:   From: Mageia Team <buildsystem-daemon at mageia....>
+> 
+> IMHO, it is beneficial to have the "name" of the submitter of the package
+> in the From tag, you can easily, from just looking at the list of mails in
+> a folder, see what packages were updated, and if they are packages you
+> maintain, who submitted them, without even having to open the mail. Having
+> a generic static text here is of no benefit ...
+> 
+> What we use as the "name" of the user is worth discussing, but I don't see
+> any reason to limit it to being the username.
+> 
+> I don't see a need to have the email address in the From be dedicated to
+> the packager/submitter.
+> 
+> Proposal 1.1:
+> From: $user{cn} <packages at mageia.org>
+> e.g.
+> From: Buchan Milne <packages at mageia.org>
+> 
+> If we want to rather try and build teams who work on specific groups of
+> packages, it may be better to have use:
+> 
+> Proposal 1.2:
+> From: $user{cn} <%name at packages.mageia.org>
+> e.g.
+> From: Buchan Milne <openldap at packages.mageia.org>
+> 
+> and have per-package aliases tied to the maintainer database. This may make
+> it easier to assign bugs in bugzilla, without having to re-assign bugs
+> whenever someone joins/leaves/changes roles.
+> 
+> Additionally, assuming Reply-To is not set, replying to the changelog mail
+> would get you to all the contributors who maintain the package. With
+> Reply-To set, Reply-All would get you to a mailing list, as well as the
+> alias. In my case, I filter mail based on mailing list tags, so this would
+> mean mails about my packages would not hit the mailing list folder, but
+> could hit a different folder with a better priority.
+> 
+> It might be a bit overkill in some situations (e.g. kde-i18n-
+> af at packages.mageia.org), but maybe we could look up the maintainer team
+> from the package name, and that could be i18n-af at mageia.org or
+> kde at packages.mageia.org.
+> 
+> But, if we want to focus on team work rather than individuals, maybe:
+> Proposal 1.3
+> From: Mageia %name team <openldap at packages.mageia.org>
+> e.g.
+> From: Mageia openldap team <openldap at packages.mageia.org>
+> 
+> Again, we could possible look up the maintainer team name, e.g. "Mageia
+> Afrikaans localisation team" or "Mageia KDE team" using the example above,
+> or "Mageia Server team" or "Mageia LDAP team" or similar in this example:
+> From: Mageia %name{cn} <%name{mail}>
+> 
+> But, this loses some of the easy-overview-by-folder-view.
+> 
+> Finally, there is always the totally personal, spam-attracting option:
+> Proposal 1.4
+> From: $user{cn} <$user{mail}>
+> e.g.
+> From: Buchan Milne <bgmilne at xxx>
+> 
+> Now, which email address this is is another issue. If we are going to offer
+> all contributors (anyone who can commit to svn), then we can use a Mageia
+> alias everywhere by default, and have these as aliases to the contributor's
+> personal email address. However, if a contributor receives a direct mail to
+> their contributor address, do they expect to be able to reply from that
+> address? E.g., our work mail system does sender validation, so I can only
+> send from an address that is an alias on the account which I authenticate
+> as. For Mandriva, I ssh port forward into the cluster to send mail from my
+> Mandriva alias ...
+> 
+> If users have to reply from their personal address, it defeats the
+> anonymity/privacy goal.
+> 
+> 
+> My preference: 1.2 or 1.3
+> 
+> 2)What to use in the %packager tag.
+> 
+> All the proposals above apply, but let's refer to them as 2.1 through 2.4.
+> 
+> My preference: 1.2 or 1.4
+> 
+> 3)What to use in the %changelog section of the spec file
+> 
+> Mandriva:
+> Full Name <usermail at mandriva....> %version-%release:
+> + Revision: XXX
+> 
+> Mageia:
+> uid <uid> %version-%release:
+> + Revision: XXX
+> 
+> My preference would be that people who are happy to disclose their real
+> names be able to have the full name expanded in the changelog entries,
+> however there isn't necessarily a requirement to keep a valid email
+> address.
+> 
+> Proposal 3.1:
+> $user{cn} <$user{uid}> %version-%release
+> e.g.
+> Buchan Milne <buchan> 3.5.7-1mga
+> 
+> Porposal 3.2:
+> $user{cn} <$user{mail}> %version-%release
+> e.g.
+> Buchan Milne <bgmilne at mageia.>
+> 
+> 
+> 4)LDAP implications
+> 
+> 4.1)As far as I know, we don't currently use givenName or sn outside
+> https://identity.mageia.org at all at present. Within
+> https://identity.mageia.org, the givenName and sn are visible to the user,
+> and to Account Admins, and possibily Group Admins. All emails sent to the
+> user currently use cn, but it may be more personal to use "givenName sn"
+> instead?
+> 
+> Bugzilla uses cn and mail
+> Forum should use cn and mail
+> 
+> 4.2)I am not prepared to do work to remove sn and givenName, if you don't
+> want users to have to supply values that will never be exposed, but
+> personalise account management communication, submit a patch, or fork.
+> 
+> Users can edit cn immediately on account creation anyway, and always have
+> been able to.
+> 
+> 4.3)I don't see the utility of having 2 email addresses at present, while
+> we don't have aliases. If we are going to have Mageia aliases, let's
+> discuss that first, there are more issues than just users who want to use
+> two different email addresses for privacy reasons.
+> 
+> However, if we do have aliases, then we will most likely introduce a
+> mailForwardingAddress attribute. This would then contain the real email
+> address, mail would contain the Mageia address for contributors, and mail
+> to the alias would be forwarded to the mailAlternateAddress
+> 
+> Please indicate if this would be sufficient, or if you think
+> non-contributor users would require the ability to have a different email
+> address (for identity account management, e.g. password recovery, only).
+> Note that non- contributors mails would be used by bugzilla and sympa. But
+> they are free to use a Mageia-specific account/address, no one has ever
+> required it to be a personal address that goes to your work server, or
+> personally identifies you.
+> 
+> 
+> I don't want to waste any more time on this, and I will not make any
+> changes to CatDap for this unless there is consensus on a specification on
+> which I can base (manual for now) testing.
+> 
+> Regards,
+> Buchan
+
+I greatly thank you for this very long and elaborate but clear proposal 
+overview, imo if this goes on too long, we should vote for it and move on.
+
+because i'm pretty sure i read that we will get @mageia.org email addresses, 
+i'll differentiate it from X.4 by calling "$user{uid}@mageia.org" X.5
+
+perhaps we can just all list our personal preferences in this subthread, so 
+it'll immediately be clear who wants which options.
+
+personal preferences:
+
+1) 1.2 or 1.3
+2) 2.2 or 2.5
+3) 3.5 (again uid + @mageia.org)
+
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