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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 00:23:30 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi,
+
+Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and sometimes i 
+notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+
+As such, i have no big problem with this, except that i would like this to be 
+solved one way or the other when we release final.
+
+however, when i looked at them, i noticed a missing dependancy for "0.5.0", 
+which is odd to say the least.
+
+I want to ask packagers when they build packages and follow up the buildstatus 
+on http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ , that they just takes the extra second of 
+time to just look at the missing deps (of course, i heard that the missing 
+deps only refresh every 15min, so keep that in mind).
+
+thanks all
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Balcaen John + balcaen.john at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 00:52:08 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> Hi,
+> 
+> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and sometimes i
+> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+[...]
+
+Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec & fix 
+requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager

+ genomega + genomega at earthlink.net +
+ Mon Feb 21 01:06:25 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
+
+
+-----Original Message-----
+>From: Pierre Chaland <pierre.chaland at tsf47.net>
+>Sent: Feb 20, 2011 4:49 PM
+>To: Mageia development mailing-list <mageia-dev at mageia.org>
+>Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+>
+>Le samedi 19 février 2011 21:18:48 Remy CLOUARD, vous avez écrit :
+>> Hi there,
+>> 
+>> As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like
+>> to become a packager, but who don’t know where to look, what’s the path,
+>> what to do.
+>> 
+>> As you may or may not know, mentoring started a few weeks ago, with some
+>> people who are already quite experienced in packaging.
+>> 
+>> These people are making progress quite quickly, and will soon be able to
+>> be full-fledged packagers. Now, many of you would like to do that too.
+>> 
+>> So how to get started ?
+>> -----------------------
+>> 
+>> Well, there are several things you can already do.
+>> 
+>> First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+>> question you’d like to people who are already packagers. Don’t hesitate
+>> to ask anything, there’s no stupid question. If you don’t get an
+>> immediate answer, don’t hesitate to ping us
+>> 
+>> It would also be great that other mentors join the channel as well, so
+>> that we can answer people. At the moment ahmad, mikala, anssi, Nanar and
+>> I are on the channel.
+>> 
+>> I know nothing about packaging, could you give me a pointer ?
+>> -------------------------------------------------------------
+>> 
+>> There’s a documentation that tries to summarize how to do a rpm on this
+>> page:
+>> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start
+>> 
+>> Don’t be afraid by the size of the page, take your time to read it.
+>> We would appreciate some feedbacks about this documentation. Tell us if
+>> some things are not clear, so that we can rephrase it, so that we can
+>> explain it to you.
+>> 
+>> It’s not that hard really, and I suggest you to take a look at an
+>> existing spec to see how it’s done.
+>> 
+>> At the moment, many packages have been imported, but many packages are
+>> also waiting for someone to maintain it. You can have a list of
+>> unmaintained packages here:
+>> http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1
+>> 
+>> Beware, check first that the package is not deprecated, unmaintained
+>> upstream, and start with a small one, not very difficult, like a small
+>> console app or a game. Again, if some bits are difficult to understand,
+>> please tell us :-)
+>> 
+>> 
+>> I already know some bits of packaging, would like to package for mageia,
+>> what can I do ?
+>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
+>> 
+>> Packaging policies represent a good amount of doc that might be
+>> difficult to learn. You don’t have to know them by heart at first, just
+>> to know that they exist, and that you should refer to them when you are
+>> trying to do. For instance, if you’re interested in python packages, you
+>> don’t have to know the perl packaging policy, but you should know that
+>> they exist and refer to it if you have a perl dependency to your
+>> package.
+>> 
+>> Package policies are listed in this page :
+>> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=policies-review
+>> 
+>> You might also have a look at the aforementionned rpm start page in case
+>> of doubt, and ask packagers when you don’t know.
+>> 
+>> Come on #mageia-mentoring, so that you can get in touch with a mentor,
+>> and if he becomes available, you will be able to start with the various
+>> tools we use to build packages.
+>> 
+>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
+>> 
+>> I do hope that this mail gives you a path to start with, please tell me
+>> if I am missing something, and again don’t be discouraged by the amount
+>> of documentation you will read.
+>> 
+>> Regards,
+>I try to did what was writen in http://mageia.org/wiki/doku?id=rpm_start
+>With urpmi I can load ktron rpm.
+>But if I want to build this same package it cannot find the file.See below.
+>[pierre at sonypierre rpm]$
+> rpm -i/cauldron/SRPMS/core/ktron-4.5.95-1.mga1.src.rpm 
+>erreur: échec de l'ouverture de 
+>/cauldron/SRPMS/core/ktron-4.5.95-1.mga1.src.rpm: Aucun fichier ou dossier de 
+>ce type
+
+Unless it was broken out it is probably bundled with kde games.
+
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Text (log) attachment to bugzilla

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 02:33:17 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi.
+
+This is just a reminder, when attaching a text log to a bug report in
+bugzilla, make sure to set the "content type" to text/plain, leaving
+it as "auto-detect" doesn't work (this is an old bug, the same issue
+happened in mdv bugzilla).
+
+Thanks.
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64

+ Thierry Vignaud + thierry.vignaud at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 08:23:42 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 20 February 2011 21:50,  <root at mageia.org> wrote:
+> Revision 599 Author pterjan Date 2011-02-20 21:50:18 +0100 (Sun, 20 Feb
+> 2011)
+>
+> Log Message
+>
+> Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+
+Why not try the same logic and i586, then fail (which is fine
+since for now we only care about those 2 arches)?
+
+Index: lib/Youri/Submit/Check/Deps.pm
+===================================================================
+--- lib/Youri/Submit/Check/Deps.pm      (révision 600)
++++ lib/Youri/Submit/Check/Deps.pm      (copie de travail)
+@@ -68,9 +68,9 @@
+     # FIXME we need dependencies on all archs except for ExclusiveArch
+     # Unfortunately some dependencies depend on the arch were the
+src.rpm was geenrated
+     # Currently src.rpm is generated on x86_64, so we need to check on that one
+-    # If the package is not buildable on x86_64 we just don't test anything
+     my $arch = 'x86_64';
+     my @exclusivearchs = $package->get_tag("exclusivearchs");
++    $arch = 'i586' if @exclusivearchs && ! (grep {$_ eq $arch}
+@exclusivearchs);
+     return if @exclusivearchs && ! (grep {$_ eq $arch} @exclusivearchs);
+ #    foreach my $arch ($repository->get_extra_arches()) {
+         my $media = new Youri::Media::URPM(name => "core.".$arch,
+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Feb 21 08:46:10 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
 On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:08 -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+> Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>> Hi,
+>>
+>> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and 
+>> sometimes i
+>> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+> [...]
+>
+> Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec & 
+> fix
+> requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+
+ This wouldn't work for runtime deps, such as pythoneggs(.*).
+
+ But that would help in most case, indeed.
+
+-- 
+ Michael Scherer
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ P. Christeas + p_christ at hol.gr +
+ Mon Feb 21 08:51:31 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Sunday 20 February 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+> Hi
+> 
+> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+> partitions to lvm
+> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+
+I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+
+LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where the 
+(expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for 
+simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it. 
+
+(remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some 
+files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus 
+freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+
+
+
+
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Olivier Thauvin + nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org +
+ Mon Feb 21 10:10:20 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
* P. Christeas (p_christ at hol.gr) wrote:
+> On Sunday 20 February 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+> > Hi
+> > 
+> > What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+> > partitions to lvm
+> > installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+> 
+> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+> 
+> LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where the 
+> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for 
+> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it. 
+> 
+> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some 
+> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus 
+> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+
+I mostly agree, but the snapshot feature can really be an advantage...
+
+-- 
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS  -  LATMOS
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Feb 21 10:19:29 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
 On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:51:31 +0200, P. Christeas wrote:
+> On Sunday 20 February 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+>> Hi
+>>
+>> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on 
+>> raw
+>> partitions to lvm
+>> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+>
+> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+>
+> LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where 
+> the
+> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. 
+> But, for
+> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth 
+> it.
+
+ We often see people coming at the lug who have issue of having "not 
+ enough
+ space on their home", and who want to resize their partition. Of 
+ course, they work around by using
+ various adhoc system ( like mounting external disk and so on ), but I 
+ think it would be much nicer
+ for them to be able to resize it easily ( and not by using a livecd ).
+
+> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition,
+> move some
+> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on 
+> /usr/share/doc, thus
+> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS 
+> required)
+
+ This seems to me quite complex, when compared to a graphical interface 
+ to resize
+ a disk ( as would diskdrake or palimsest be ).
+
+ And of course, that's also something that was tried at Mandriva, with 
+ the unfortunate problem
+ of "svn full" and "mirror full" problem from some years ago. I am not 
+ sure that allowing this
+ kind of hack to perpetuate "because it worked on my computer so it 
+ would work on my server" is
+ a so good idea.  ( on the other hand, if people do unclean stuff, I 
+ will have less effort to keep my job
+ or to take their )
+
+-- 
+ Michael Scherer
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Thierry Vignaud + thierry.vignaud at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 10:36:15 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas <p_christ at hol.gr> wrote:
+>> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+>> partitions to lvm
+>> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+>
+> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+>
+> LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where the
+> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for
+> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it.
+>
+> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some
+> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus
+> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+
+It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner).
+Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize
+which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs)
+It may not be possible ie:
+
+- you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended one.
+
+- If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one
+To partition
+  and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM
+  With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another disk)
+
+What's more, one gains many features:
+
+- snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but still
+  usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time
+
+- you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks
+
+- it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing proved
+  to be altered after some usage
+
+- one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting)
+
+- one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update
+  (eg: for trying initscript -> systemd switch, ...)
+
+I think it brings many usefull features.
+Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Thomas Lottmann + skipercooker at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 10:49:27 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le 21/02/2011 10:36, Thierry Vignaud a écrit :
+> On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas<p_christ at hol.gr>  wrote:
+>>> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+>>> partitions to lvm
+>>> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+>>
+>> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+>>
+>> LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where the
+>> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for
+>> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it.
+>>
+>> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some
+>> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus
+>> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+>
+> It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner).
+> Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize
+> which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs)
+> It may not be possible ie:
+>
+> - you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended one.
+>
+> - If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one
+> To partition
+>    and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM
+>    With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another disk)
+>
+> What's more, one gains many features:
+>
+> - snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but still
+>    usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time
+>
+> - you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks
+>
+> - it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing proved
+>    to be altered after some usage
+>
+> - one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting)
+>
+> - one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update
+>    (eg: for trying initscript ->  systemd switch, ...)
+>
+> I think it brings many usefull features.
+> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+
+I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having attempted 
+to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it is 
+quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm awaiting 
+an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff without 
+the need of preliminary knowledge.
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 10:50:08 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 21 februari 2011 10:36:15 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
+> On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas <p_christ at hol.gr> wrote:
+> >> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+> >> partitions to lvm
+> >> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+> > 
+> > I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+> > 
+> > LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where the
+> > (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But,
+> > for simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not
+> > worth it.
+> > 
+> > (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move
+> > some files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on
+> > /usr/share/doc, thus freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no
+> > virtualization, no ZFS required)
+> 
+> It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner).
+> Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize
+> which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs)
+> It may not be possible ie:
+> 
+> - you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended
+> one.
+> 
+> - If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one
+> To partition
+>   and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM
+>   With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another
+> disk)
+> 
+> What's more, one gains many features:
+> 
+> - snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but
+> still usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time
+> 
+> - you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks
+> 
+> - it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing
+> proved to be altered after some usage
+> 
+> - one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting)
+> 
+> - one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update
+>   (eg: for trying initscript -> systemd switch, ...)
+> 
+> I think it brings many usefull features.
+> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+
+if we switch from ext4 to btrfs next year or so, we will have snapshotting and 
+a lot of other usefull features.
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 10:56:23 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+
+While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64

+ Pascal Terjan + pterjan at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 12:08:19 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 07:23, Thierry Vignaud
+<thierry.vignaud at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On 20 February 2011 21:50,  <root at mageia.org> wrote:
+>> Revision 599 Author pterjan Date 2011-02-20 21:50:18 +0100 (Sun, 20 Feb
+>> 2011)
+>>
+>> Log Message
+>>
+>> Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+>
+> Why not try the same logic and i586, then fail (which is fine
+> since for now we only care about those 2 arches)?
+
+Because the src.rpm is rebuilt on this x86_64 machine before this code
+is called :(
+That's why there is a FIXME to find a way to check on all non excluded arch
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Pascal Terjan + pterjan at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 12:10:36 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John <balcaen.john at gmail.com> wrote:
+> Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>> Hi,
+>>
+>> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and sometimes i
+>> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+> [...]
+>
+> Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec & fix
+> requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+
+The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+bootstrapping
+Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+satisfy this dependency will be.
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 12:41:34 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 21 februari 2011 10:56:23 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+> Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+> 
+> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+
+I think we ALL agree on LVM being present in diskdrake during installation.
+
+However, alot of things can go wrong if a user fiddles with those, so i would 
+keep it hidden under expert mode (not by default).
+
+just my opinion
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 12:43:20 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 21 februari 2011 12:10:36 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John <balcaen.john at gmail.com> wrote:
+> > Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> >> Hi,
+> >> 
+> >> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and sometimes
+> >> i notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+> > 
+> > [...]
+> > 
+> > Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec & fix
+> > requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+> 
+> The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+> bootstrapping
+> Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+> but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+> satisfy this dependency will be.
+
+to be honest, i would be in favor of doing such a check, with an exception 
+usable via mgarepo ( --bootstrapping or something).
+
+ + + + +
+

+ +
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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Dexter Morgan + dmorganec at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 12:45:58 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+<maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+> Op maandag 21 februari 2011 12:10:36 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John <balcaen.john at gmail.com> wrote:
+>> > Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>> >> Hi,
+>> >>
+>> >> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and sometimes
+>> >> i notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+>> >
+>> > [...]
+>> >
+>> > Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec & fix
+>> > requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+>>
+>> The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+>> bootstrapping
+>> Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+>> but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+>> satisfy this dependency will be.
+>
+> to be honest, i would be in favor of doing such a check, with an exception
+> usable via mgarepo ( --bootstrapping or something).
+>
+
+why ? why not the time you use by writting those emails for packaging
+the missing deps ? :)
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Feb 21 13:19:23 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le lundi 21 février 2011 à 10:56 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+> Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+> 
+> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+
+I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows will
+not support any linux file system more than lvm, and the same goes for
+os x. 
+
+For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk. 
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Anne nicolas + ennael1 at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 13:39:32 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/2/21 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+> Le lundi 21 février 2011 à 10:56 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+>> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+>> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+>> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+>> Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+>>
+>> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+>> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+>> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+>
+> I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows will
+> not support any linux file system more than lvm, and the same goes for
+> os x.
+>
+> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+
+Apart from all possible issues, diskdrake needs first to be improved.
+Looking on partitions when you run LVM still needs to have knowledge
+about how it works. And I really don't think people can easily
+understand PV, VG, LV and FS
+
+
+
+> --
+> Michael Scherer
+>
+>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Anne
+http://www.mageia.org
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Angelo Naselli + anaselli at linux.it +
+ Mon Feb 21 14:09:26 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
lunedì 21 febbraio 2011 alle 10:36, Thierry Vignaud ha scritto:
+> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+... and viceversa... those who know what they're doing could
+choose LVM....
+
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Angelo Naselli + anaselli at linux.it +
+ Mon Feb 21 14:11:51 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
lunedì 21 febbraio 2011 alle 12:41, Maarten Vanraes ha scritto:
+> I think we ALL agree on LVM being present in diskdrake during installation.
+As far as i know is in (at least in Mandriva). I, for install, installed a 2009.1
+with LVM in a system in which i had only 2 4Gb disks.
+
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ P. Christeas + p_christ at hol.gr +
+ Mon Feb 21 14:26:13 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Monday 21 February 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> I think we ALL agree on LVM being present in diskdrake during installation.
+> 
+> However, alot of things can go wrong if a user fiddles with those, so i
+> would keep it hidden under expert mode (not by default).
+
+Agreed. Being there, and being supported for machines that already have LVM on 
+them is a must (eg. like installing Mageia at misc's hard disk).
+
+
+-- 
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 15:17:31 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 21 februari 2011 12:45:58 schreef Dexter Morgan:
+> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+> 
+> <maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+> > Op maandag 21 februari 2011 12:10:36 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+> >> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John <balcaen.john at gmail.com> 
+wrote:
+> >> > Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> >> >> Hi,
+> >> >> 
+> >> >> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and
+> >> >> sometimes i notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+> >> > 
+> >> > [...]
+> >> > 
+> >> > Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &
+> >> > fix requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+> >> 
+> >> The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+> >> bootstrapping
+> >> Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+> >> but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+> >> satisfy this dependency will be.
+> > 
+> > to be honest, i would be in favor of doing such a check, with an
+> > exception usable via mgarepo ( --bootstrapping or something).
+> 
+> why ? why not the time you use by writting those emails for packaging
+> the missing deps ? :)
+
+because it's a safeguard, so people don't have to spend more time later on 
+fixing it. and reducing chance of such failures happening when we really 
+release...
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies

+ Balcaen John + balcaen.john at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 15:26:18 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le lundi 21 février 2011 04:46:10, Michael Scherer a écrit :
+>  On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:08 -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+> > Le dimanche 20 février 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> >> Hi,
+> >> 
+> >> Now and then, i'm refreshing http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ and
+> >> sometimes i
+> >> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+> > 
+> > [...]
+> > 
+> > Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &
+> > fix
+> > requires before uploading the « main » package ?
+> 
+>  This wouldn't work for runtime deps, such as pythoneggs(.*).
+> 
+>  But that would help in most case, indeed.
+Well in fact i was thinking about maintainer's job & not necessary a check 
+during mgarepo submit :
+If a maintainer wants to upload package 'x' he should check that package 'y' & 
+'z' are available before because x is requiring y which is requiring z etc...
+Since we're already doing it for BR, we should also do it for Requires.
+
+(& since i still don't understand python i don't know if it's going to work 
+for pythoneggs :p )
+
+
+Regards,
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Frank Griffin + ftg at roadrunner.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 15:52:21 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Michael Scherer wrote:
+>
+> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk. 
+>
+>   
+Perhaps a bit OT, but does the current harddisk install support cauldron
+trees on LVM ?
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Jeff Robins + jeffrobinssae at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 17:56:22 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
> Michael Scherer wrote:
+> >
+> > For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+> >
+>
+
+I've had issues in the past because Linux considered LVM just one logical
+disk and I think the average user would eventually have the same problem as
+well.  I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints
+and support requests in the end.
+
+A long time ago I had a system with 6 SCSI disks, each 1.2GB.  The system
+was fairly useless with the single disks, but using LVM I had 1 disk of
+reasonable size.  I ran the system for about a year with no problems, but
+then 1 of the disks failed.  Normally this would be a medium inconvenience,
+because I would just have to restore the files from that one drive to
+another drive. However, with the LVM, I lost the ability to read the entire
+LVM.  I had to restore the entire system, which was a much bigger pain.  I
+also could not obtain a disk of the same small size for a reasonable price,
+which I was told would make the problem even bigger.
+
+If I had used some redundancy, then I might have been able to restore the
+one disk, but I was a novice user and didn't understand the need.  I think
+that most users who use the defaults and probably novice users, or at least
+will be after Mageia takes off.  I think LVM support is a must, but I think
+making it the default, without also making some redundancy the default, will
+cause more problems than it solves.
+
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[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager

+ Eatdirt + dirteat at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 18:42:47 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 19/02/11 21:18, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+
+> So how to get started ?
+> -----------------------
+>
+> Well, there are several things you can already do.
+>
+> First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+> question you’d like to people who are already packagers. Don’t hesitate
+> to ask anything, there’s no stupid question. If you don’t get an
+> immediate answer, don’t hesitate to ping us
+
+Ok, then here we go, you asked for it...
+
+What's this #mageia-mentoring, IRC stuff? Is there a mentoring mailing 
+list instead, like on gmane or so?
+
+I am a complete incompetent in terms of packaging, but I know how to 
+download a source.tar.gz and compile it the right way.
+Under mandriva I am using a lot of scientific libs, like fftw, lapack, 
+blas, and fvwm2 is my computing life; that I used to compile from 
+sources too.
+So I am happy to help in any of those if my contribution can be used 
+somehow. I am quite unreliable too in terms of freetime as it may happen 
+that I am becoming very busy sometimes.
+
+cheers,
+Chris.
+
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 18:52:22 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/2/21 Eatdirt <dirteat at gmail.com>:
+>
+> What's this #mageia-mentoring, IRC stuff?
+
+It is an IRC channel where you will find packagers who will help you
+along with packaging problems.
+
+> I am a complete incompetent in terms of packaging, but I know how to
+> download a source.tar.gz and compile it the right way.
+
+For a start with packaging you may use the link given earlier in this thread:
+http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start
+
+Have fun!
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 19:05:52 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 21 februari 2011 18:42:47 schreef Eatdirt:
+> On 19/02/11 21:18, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+> > So how to get started ?
+> > -----------------------
+> > 
+> > Well, there are several things you can already do.
+> > 
+> > First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+> > question you’d like to people who are already packagers. Don’t hesitate
+> > to ask anything, there’s no stupid question. If you don’t get an
+> > immediate answer, don’t hesitate to ping us
+> 
+> Ok, then here we go, you asked for it...
+> 
+> What's this #mageia-mentoring, IRC stuff? Is there a mentoring mailing
+> list instead, like on gmane or so?
+> 
+> I am a complete incompetent in terms of packaging, but I know how to
+> download a source.tar.gz and compile it the right way.
+> Under mandriva I am using a lot of scientific libs, like fftw, lapack,
+> blas, and fvwm2 is my computing life; that I used to compile from
+> sources too.
+> So I am happy to help in any of those if my contribution can be used
+> somehow. I am quite unreliable too in terms of freetime as it may happen
+> that I am becoming very busy sometimes.
+> 
+> cheers,
+> Chris.
+
+there was some requests to get direct communications for mentoring, hence the 
+chat channel.
+
+the idea is that all frequent questions are being put on the FAQ and all 
+things unclear on the policies (which are alot of them).
+
+if you want to become a packager, and you are assigned a mentor, often your 
+mentor will ask you to send emails to him/her.
+
+mentors and people helping out with mentoring are asked to go on that chat 
+channel. i'm on it, and it's quite busy there.
+
+the thing is that packagers need to read up on policies cause it's important 
+to follow those.
+
+even if you don't have a mentor yet, you can still make .spec files, have 
+someone comment on those and possibly others will commit and submit them for 
+you (your mentors' job), until you become a packager
+
+good luck
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Mon Feb 21 20:15:25 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
> I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints and support requests in the end.
+
+
+I found it an annoyance in Fedora as a regular user.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Buchan Milne + bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net +
+ Mon Feb 21 21:38:07 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Monday, 21 February 2011 18:56:22 Jeff Robins wrote:
+> > Michael Scherer wrote:
+> > > For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+> 
+> I've had issues in the past because Linux considered LVM just one logical
+> disk and I think the average user would eventually have the same problem as
+> well.  I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints
+> and support requests in the end.
+> 
+> A long time ago I had a system with 6 SCSI disks, each 1.2GB.  The system
+> was fairly useless with the single disks, but using LVM I had 1 disk of
+> reasonable size.  I ran the system for about a year with no problems, but
+> then 1 of the disks failed.  Normally this would be a medium inconvenience,
+> because I would just have to restore the files from that one drive to
+> another drive. However, with the LVM,
+
+... or RAID0 ...
+
+> I lost the ability to read the entire
+> LVM.
+
+VG.
+
+> I had to restore the entire system, which was a much bigger pain.  I
+> also could not obtain a disk of the same small size for a reasonable price,
+> which I was told would make the problem even bigger.
+
+Irrelevant for LVM. Only partly relevant for RAID0.
+
+> If I had used some redundancy, then I might have been able to restore the
+> one disk, but I was a novice user and didn't understand the need.  I think
+> that most users who use the defaults and probably novice users, or at least
+> will be after Mageia takes off.  I think LVM support is a must, but I think
+> making it the default, without also making some redundancy the default,
+> will cause more problems than it solves.
+
+For single-disk systems, there is no difference.
+
+For multi-disk systems, whether it would have been any different depends on 
+whether you had a single VG or multiple VGs.
+
+But, by the time you talk about 6 disks, we're not talking about a default 
+anymore.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Buchan Milne + bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net +
+ Mon Feb 21 21:48:56 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Monday, 21 February 2011 14:19:23 Michael Scherer wrote:
+> Le lundi 21 février 2011 à 10:56 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> > Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+> > users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+> > pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+> > Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+> > 
+> > While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+> > may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+> > installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+
+IMHO, it is *easier* to run multiple distributions on one machine with LVM, as 
+you don't have the problem of having to statically pre-assign partitions to 
+different distributions, and then have to image one filesystem to enlarge the 
+filesystem before it, shrink the one after it, and put it back ...
+
+The only complication is where to put bootloaders, multiple distros sharing 
+/boot is not great, so I just make a few small boot partitions before my PVs.
+
+> I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows
+
+out-the-box
+
+> will
+> not support any linux file system more than lvm,
+
+There are third-party drivers/software for accessing ext2/ext3 partitions 
+under Windows, even LUKS+ext2/ext3. But, on LVM, I don't think there are any 
+options.
+
+> and the same goes for
+> os x.
+
+I thought Mac OS X had ext2/ext3 read support?
+
+> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+
+That's a bit of an over-simplification. Hot-plugged LVM systems (I have a 
+2*2TB external disk enclosure, running in "SAFE50" mode, AKA half RAID0, half 
+RAID1, RAID1 is a PV in a separate VG) don't auto-mount like hot-plugged non-
+LVM disks, rescue still have problems activating VGs until recently (may still 
+be present), kernel upgrades may still mess up root= parameter on LVM etc. 
+etc.
+
+I have been using LVM with online resizing in diskdrake since about Mandrake 
+8.2 (with XFS), and I think for users without non-Linux installations, it 
+should be made more prominent or the default ... but only when all the 
+remaining issues are addressed.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
+
+ + + + +
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Buchan Milne + bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net +
+ Mon Feb 21 21:50:59 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Monday, 21 February 2011 11:49:27 Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+> I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having attempted
+> to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it is
+> quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm awaiting
+> an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff without
+> the need of preliminary knowledge.
+
+Yes, with diskdrake, it's no problem. Anaconda's LVM interface is quite 
+confusing and complex. After installation, AFAIK, you can't access the same 
+interface. system-config-lvm (if it's still around) was also pretty unusable.
+
+But, we have diskdrake, so why are the problems of CentOS an issue?
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
+
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[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Feb 21 23:44:30 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Le lundi 21 février 2011 à 22:48 +0200, Buchan Milne a écrit :
+> On Monday, 21 February 2011 14:19:23 Michael Scherer wrote:
+
+> > and the same goes for
+> > os x.
+> 
+> I thought Mac OS X had ext2/ext3 read support?
+
+Not on my version ( or it didn't work out of the box ).
+
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
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