[Mageia-dev] Importing RPM Groups

Mon Jan 10 01:32:02 CET 2011

Le dimanche 09 janvier 2011 à 11:54 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
+> Le dimanche 9 janvier 2011 10:49:19, Remy CLOUARD a écrit :
+> > Hi,
+> > 
+> > I just imported the RPM Groups page into the wiki.
+> > 
+> > I verified the list was complete with what rpmlint returns as valid RPM
+> > groups.
+> > 
+> > Maybe some groups are obsolete, others could be created
+> > 
+> > Proposal for removal:
+> > Graphical desktop/FVWM based (only one entry)
+> > Graphical desktop/Sawfish (only one entry)
+
+That look like a good criteria for removal, yes
+
+> > Proposal for creation:
+> > Development/Haskell
+> > Development/OCaml
+> > Graphical desktop/LXDE
+> > Networking/Chat (merge with Instant Messaging)
+> > Sound/Players (because listening to music and creating it is a very
+> > different thing IMHO)
+> > Sound/Editors
+> > Sound/Other
+> > 
+> > WDYT ?
+> > 
+> > Regards,
+> 
+> I think groups may need a bigger rework than just those changes. To me, 
+> package groups should be as close as possible as menu entries (for graphical 
+> packages), but maybe that would be too few groups ?
+
+Well, we would still have to do something for non graphical rpm, and I
+would think that the vast majority would fall in this category.
+
+And the context and order of magnitude is different. In the menu, you
+don't want to have too many category, because that would provide
+clutter. On a database of more than 1000 rpms, you will have lots of
+packagers whatever you do, so while we should aim for less clutter, we
+cannot do much due to the number of rpm.
+
+> In fact, debian has some advance upon us on this, by the use of debtags. We 
+> could maybe simplify grouping if we could put some information in tags rather 
+> than in groups.
+> 
+> I don't know if there are cross-distributions efforts to harmonize package 
+> groups, but that would be an interesting subject to tackle in the upcoming 
+> meeting in Nürnberg.
+
+Yup.
+
+But we should first decide "what do we use group for". Ie, they appear
+in :
+- packages managers ( to the extended sense, that mean rpmdrake, and
+installer )
+- elsewhere ?
+
+They are then used by :
+- users ?
+- developers ( don't think so )
+
+And used for what purpose ?
+- finding packages that fulfill some usage criteria ? ( like "I need a
+software for doing sound related stuff" )
+- removing some package from the list
+
+And I would also see what others lists do exist. IE, the group of
+debian, of fedora, of opensuse, etc, etc. So see if we can inspire from
+them, etc.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+