[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -> mga2 upgrade

Wed Nov 9 23:13:56 CET 2011

Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 à 22:41 +0200, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
+> On 09.11.2011 22:34, Florian Hubold wrote:
+> > Am 09.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+> >> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 à 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a écrit :
+> >>> Hi there,
+> >>>
+> >>> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+> >>> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+> >>> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+> >>> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+> >>> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+> >>>
+> >>> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+> >>> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+> >>> upgrade from Mageia 1 ->  2 and not postfix which needs
+> >>> configuration.
+> >> What configuration ?
+> >> AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+> >> sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+> >> aliase.
+> >>
+> >> > From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+> >> the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+> >> same declaration of a smart host ).
+> >>
+> >> Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+> >> found ?
+> >> ( ie, do something like that :
+> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA ). We have the proper
+> >> version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+> >>
+> > msec already sends everything also to /var/log, which was disregarded
+> > in last discussion because normal users don't look there and it
+> > slowly adds up on diskspace.
+> 
+> Normal users also do not read local mailboxes and the mailboxes slowly
+> add up on diskspace.
+
+And log files can be rotated, unlike mailboxes. Maybe the log are not
+rotated on the other hand, so that's a bug that could/should be fixed,
+if that's the case.
+
+What we could do is either :
+- install nothing by default
+- install postfix/dma/whatever by a drakwizard if/when user give a email
+for msec alert.
+
+Maybe another solution would be to make msec smarter and not spew 100
+lines per hours. I am all for msec but as I say often, this look like a
+Homer Simpson invention. 
+
+WDYT ?
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
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