[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

Sat Jul 16 20:01:13 CEST 2011

'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 18:48 did gyre and
+gimble:
+> 
+> 
+>> WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in
+>> cooker and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this
+>> is 3.x.x rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and
+>> nothing specifically relating to anything "significant" or
+>> similar.
+>> 
+>> And who cares if -latest is updated. Your old kernel is not removed
+>> and TMB gave you forewarning about it.
+>> 
+>> This is really one of the lamest complaints ever!!!
+> 
+> Notwithstanding that this is cauldron, not stable, it is _not_ like
+> an update from 2.6.38.8-desktop-2 to 2.6.38.8-desktop-5
+> 
+> This is a _major_ kernel update, even if 3.0.0-rc7 is actually
+> 2.6.40-rc7.
+
+It is a major version update only in number, not in features. If it is
+actually 2.6.40, then it is technically a "micro" update... (version
+numbers are major.minor.micro... this is accepted terminology).
+
+> As a matter of fact, while 2.6.38.8 was a _very_ stable kernel, this
+> one is _not_,
+
+Perhaps not for you. It's working fine for me. That is a _very_
+subjective statement without _any_ facts.
+
+> The latest _stable_ kernel is 2.6.39.3, not this bloody  2.6.40-rc7,
+> aka 3.0.0-rc7.
+
+So? No one said this was a stable kernel anyway! This is a _development_
+distro. You've got to expect this kind of thing. If you don't, you
+shouldn't use it and you shouldn't be trolling our *development* mailing
+lists with your requests for *stability*! (and regardless of what you
+say about not calling "serious people" trolls, your behaviour is classic
+troll behaviour and you have done nothing to present yourself as a
+serious person other than just saying you are. This is something you
+have to earn by your actions, not state and expect people to accept).
+
+> And I don't remember of any "forewarning".
+
+Then you obviously don't read the development list, nor read the list of
+packages you are installing. This is therefore entirely your own fault.
+
+> Also, even in Cauldron, shouldn't it have stayed for more time in
+> testing?
+
+Cauldron is for testing. That's the whole point of it? This is exactly
+what's happening now. You are under a massive miscomprehension me thinks.
+
+> Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which
+> was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that
+> you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your
+> standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important
+> component of all?!?!?
+
+RC and beta versions will hit cauldron frequently when the maintainer
+feels it is the right thing to do. Perhaps the maintainer is an upstream
+developer too and is using cauldron to get wider feedback (I'll be doing
+this soon for PulseAudio for example). RC and even beta versions hit
+cooker all the time and this isn't going to be any different here.
+You're making statements with no basis in reality here.
+
+
+
+> I am using Mageia because it's one of the best distros out there. I
+> am using Cauldron because I need newer stuff -- and I'm also building
+> some even newer packages every now and then, as I need them.
+
+If you are using Cauldron, then you should expect this kind of thing. If
+you don't want this, do not use cauldron. It's not a hard choice.
+
+> But I don't trust _your_ judgment, folks, your inconsistent policies,
+> your questionable common sense. As FLOSS developers, you're first of
+> all full of pride, pride, and pride again. You're _always_ right --
+> you're Gods, after all. Well, I'm an atheist then.
+
+WTF? Jeeze I wish I hadn't spent time replying sensibly to the points
+above when you sign off with such a blatant troll....
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+http://colin.guthr.ie/
+
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