[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

Fri Jul 15 00:41:05 CEST 2011

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:26:37 +0100, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
+
+> 
+> > And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use
+> > systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+> >  - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+> > providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work
+> > when kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+> >  - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+> > conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit,
+> > sysvinit goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the
+> > most sane way to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for
+> > testing
+> >  - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its
+> > goodies. This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander
+> > style). This is how fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not
+> > sure if it the best way.
+> > 
+> > So, that's it for now from my part..
+> 
+> I'd like option 2 please! :) It doesn't exclude using option 1 along
+> with it (I was doing this for a while), so it's most flexible.
+> 
+
+After my tries with mandriva, I vote for the highlander way (option 3).
+Systemd was almost working (for me, I suppose that with some more questions
+I could have got it working fine), but I always had problems with the mix of
+init and systemd scripts. You could disable something with chkconfig,
+but systemd still lanunched it, you never knew if you had to disable
+something in one place or another, and anyways, it looks like systemd
+is not really thought to "disable" services.
+
+So go for all and go systemd only, so problems will be discovered early and
+fixed early.
+
+As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.
+This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
+networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.
+NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and
+system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.
+Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in
+discussion ?
+
+TIA
+
+-- 
+J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com>     \                 Winter is coming...
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