[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1

Sun Dec 18 12:46:52 CET 2011

Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
+> > For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
+> > proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
+> 
+> Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
+> thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why
+> start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when
+> it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when
+> considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit
+> and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise
+> to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user
+> switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command
+> ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and
+> the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense...
+> 
+> What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc.
+> 
+> When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than
+> getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a
+> second graphical login?
+> 
+> I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just
+> saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they
+> user has already opted for a graphical system.
+> 
+> Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login
+> and gdm should maybe present a "give me a text login" option in which
+> case that X server quits and getty replaces it.
+> 
+> Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused
+> should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later.
+> 
+> All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I
+> can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective).
+> 
+> 
+> Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little
+> thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and
+> display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat
+> and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should
+> be much different from multi-seat in this regard.
+> 
+> > BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
+> > Ubuntu/Debian?
+> 
+> I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to
+> that according to Google.
+> 
+> 
+> Col
+
+
+theoretically, i'd be in favor of on-demand vt allocation, be it graphical or 
+textbased.
+
+i'd be ok with a session starting when going to other vt (default session, be 
+it a dm or a textbased login.) however, the dm should allow to fall back to 
+textbased, but there we run into a problem:
+
+what if X is failing, you can't go back to text-login, so that's a nono
+
+perhaps we could document that we'd preallocate F12 or something for text-
+based emergency, but then noone would know...
+
+I donno, if we don't have textbased by default, then surely vt1 has to be 
+forcably text-based...
+
+
+new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that CTRL+ALT+FX 
+spawns a text-based login.
+