[Mageia-dev] [135989]

Tue Aug 30 12:56:22 CEST 2011

2011/8/29 Zé <mmodem00 at gmail.com>:
+
+>> [...]
+>
+> Yes the commit coment was incorrect, what i wanted to say was this:
+> - set requires in devel package to version like hapens for restant packages
+>
+> Since all soprano packages have requires to version (except the devel
+> package), i just put the devel requires also to version, that way we
+> had soprano requires only to version.
+> See if we were really acting as a team then i would replade restant
+> soprano packages to have requires to release instead changing then to
+> version, but you with dmorgan have put me simply apart, so how could
+> you expect me to do things other way if you with dmorgan have simply
+> alienated me.
+
+Because it's to difficult to ask before doing changes ?
+
+> You were also who started doing all by own way, you didnt discuss with
+> me anychanges, for example the changes you made in wiki.
+> For example you add severall items to Golds section without discussing
+> any, they should be first added as proposals so that could be first
+> discussed in a meeing.
+
+Because thoses changes/proposal where *already* decided *before* you even
+come to KDE, i simply wrote them down.
+Of course that does not mean that we won't change the goal after, it is not like
+it was written in the stone... it's a *wiki*...
+
+> But for you theres no kde team, since you just do what it pleases you.
+> But now you should be even more pleased since now dmorgan in the kde
+> packaging policy wiki page have put that now in a PENDING status.
+> I know very well from where comes all that dmorgan animosityagainst
+> me, mem and dmorgan is the past have already had divergencies, so let
+> you know that this simply dodnt appear out of the blue, there are a
+> history regarding dmorgan and me.
+
+I don't care at all about animosity between you and dmorgan, stricly no...
+
+> Before dmorgan appear we were going ok, of course we had some
+> discussions but thats normal, but its not normal that without any
+> proper reason dmorgan did talked to me with some "tone" and
+> "aggressiveness".
+
+You should double check how you're talking on irc before saying that.
+
+> You even said that i would be happy if you left Mageia, and like i
+> answered in other thread you were too far from the truth, you are a
+> person that are always contributing, that put much effort to help
+> Mageia, and no one in his perfect mind would think was good to put
+> away some person with those capabilities.
+>
+> Some of my latest commits were correct and simple (for eexamplein
+> kdelibs4), and they were reverted by dmorgan based in a rule that he
+> created, and that rule was simply put by him, without any discusion,
+> no one were asked about and i never agreed with it, he simply said
+> "and now i take my sysadmin hat..." and did it.
+>
+> So from that point what would be the purpose to discuss any with you
+> since no one can diverge from you, when that happens dmorgan appears
+> and "takes his sysadmin hat..." and rises his tone saying i cant do
+> this or that.
+> Seamsn now you and dmorgan own kde.
+
+Ok so maybe you can stop a little bit your paranoïa...
+I asked dmorgan to reverse your previous commit because you did not ask
+anything neither show us a commit when you were supposed to do as i told
+you before but i guess you forgot this one (i did not do it personally because
+i'm was quite buzy but i guess i should have done it...)
+Here with your previous change i take the time to comment & ask for explanation
+because you again did not ask & decided what was better from *your*
+point of view.
+
+> Your behaviour has changed mainly from the day that misc attacked me
+> without knowing all facts, so from that point all that was being done
+> as team SIMPLY didsappeared, and you didnt even said nothing about
+> what dmorgan did, saying that my commits should be reviewed all by
+> you, that is abusive, and if remember correctly untill that day we act
+> as a team, and you be havior from that changed and severall times you
+> rised your tone just like that for almost nothing.
+
+I'm sorry but my behaviour did not change at all... It's just because
+i had enough with
+your style aka « i'm going to propose something and if you're not
+agree i'll apply it anyway
+because i'm the older packager, i know how to do things etc etc ...»
+or « i'm going to commit
+some changes which is not important from my point of view so it's not
+for other » or « i'm going
+to commit something and *ask* after about this »
+
+You probably think that i was agree with you simply because i was
+agree with *some* of
+your suggestions that's all...
+
+I really don't remember also how we act as a team since you did not
+take your part of the job:
+i asked you to do a simple thing on the wiki ( add the members of the
+kde team on a specific
+ wiki page)  & suddendly you start changing without asking the
+kde_policy_packaging wiki page
+
+I'm still waiting for your commit in soft regarding iaora_kde since June 12th...
+You're not doing correctly your job & then you complain that we're not
+acting as a team ?
+Also maybe you can start helping on bug fixing on mageia like for
+example Luc is doing ?
+
+I asked you to work on digikam2 initially but we spent too much time
+talking about libs package because
+you suddendly wanted to obsolete some kde libs because they were part
+of digikam SC and i was forced to
+ask neoclust & Gilles about this since you were not agree with me
+about the lib packaging because you had
+a better idea... and when we finally reached an agreement and you were
+supposed to provide a spec quite soon
+nothing happens..
+
+
+> I always wanted that we could all could get along with each other, of
+> course we would have some discussions (thats normal, and its from
+> discussions that development grows), and from that we would reach
+> agreements and consensus about what to do or follow.
+
+What with discussion if you're simply does not care about my opinion ?
+In fact you simply want to have a « leader » hat status ?
+
+> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we
+> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability.
+
+I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're
+okay to discuss your changes
+before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private
+email *TEST THEM* locally
+by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the
+documentation i used to create my
+iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by
+submitting it in the BS.
+So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit
+with your attitude.
+Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes
+you changed the behavior
+simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a
+patch on kdeutils (
+http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeutils4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478
+) to remove  a simple rm -rf in a spec.
+Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you
+submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the
+spec ?
+Did we dicuss about this ? no because you probably think it's a better
+solution & it's a minor thing..
+
+
+
+> And again i appeal that we can that we could have a meeting so that
+> all could be discussed and defined, so that now we should act as a
+> whole without any frictions.
+> Like i satated im not here to fight or bash no one, but to act as a
+> part of a whole.
+
+I'm really doubt about that point since from what i see so far because
+you're not
+following your own words..
+
+> Yesterday i was about to remove me completly from Mageia, since i dont
+> want to be in a place where someone can have abusice behaviours and no
+> appears to regulate that sittuation.
+> Mikala mayve this was your wish, since what have been happening its
+> far from a community behaviour and you may see that im very different
+> from Fwang, some that you have referred severall tmes that he changes
+> things without discussing any, thing that i did used to do as a team,
+> but my latest commit was something i did to see at what point things
+> would go, and again i can see dmorgan can do everything he wants like
+> now put me as a pending status regarding the kde team.
+
+Well on that point i'm quite agree with dmorgan.
+Maybe you should really learn to work/integrate with the way we work...
+Maybe you should act more like luc who he's sending a review of his changes
+before commiting anything & waiting for an answer even if he's more than a good
+packager (& also a programmer by the way) but i guess he's probably biased since
+he used to work with kde reviewboard...
+
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net
+