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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Dale Huckeby + spock at evansville.net +
+ Mon Dec 6 00:39:08 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+
+> the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few words
+> that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult.
+>
+> otoh, there is also the fact that "free" or "core" don't really convey the
+> correct meaning at all either and could be quite dubious.
+>
+> patented would be more correct, but i don't wanna call it that, because then
+> mageia would be sued by patent-lawyers all over the world. don't get me wrong,
+> it wouldn't be illegal, but it would just be too timeconsuming...
+>
+> imho, we should have a simple not too difficult word that somehow shows a bit
+> about the nature of the contents in it, while still being vague enough.
+
+Okay, short words: iffy, chancy, dicey, knotty, clouded, foggy, hazy, unclear, contro (for controversial),
+prob (for problematic), equiv (for equivocal), irreg (for irregular). I like iffy best. It's short, it's
+informal, its meaning is clear, yet it's not too narrow.
+
+Dale Huckeby
+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Sam Bailey + cyprix at cyprix.com.au +
+ Mon Dec 6 02:27:16 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:39:08 -0600 (CST), Dale Huckeby
+<spock at evansville.net> wrote:
+> On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> 
+>> the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few words
+>> that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult.
+>>
+>> otoh, there is also the fact that "free" or "core" don't really convey the
+>> correct meaning at all either and could be quite dubious.
+>>
+>> patented would be more correct, but i don't wanna call it that, because then
+>> mageia would be sued by patent-lawyers all over the world. don't get me wrong,
+>> it wouldn't be illegal, but it would just be too timeconsuming...
+>>
+>> imho, we should have a simple not too difficult word that somehow shows a bit
+>> about the nature of the contents in it, while still being vague enough.
+> 
+> Okay, short words: iffy, chancy, dicey, knotty, clouded, foggy, hazy,
+> unclear, contro (for controversial),
+> prob (for problematic), equiv (for equivocal), irreg (for irregular).
+> I like iffy best. It's short, it's
+> informal, its meaning is clear, yet it's not too narrow.
+> 
+> Dale Huckeby
+
+Considering the other repo names to be used, we could always call this
+one "other".
+
+-- 
+Sam Bailey
+
+Cyprix Enterprises
+Web: cyprix.com.au
+Em: cyprix at cyprix.com.au
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+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 03:14:35 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+<maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+>>
+>> Perhaps we need an unrelated word that has meaning to Mageia, but
+>> infers uniqueness without being pejorative.
+>>
+>> I suggest calling it the "paris" repository, a place for unique and
+>> useful applications that cannot be placed in any other repository for
+>> whatever reason. Then perhaps any local repository of one-off packages
+>> could always be labeled "paris-local" by default.
+>
+> after Paris Hilton? "a place for unique and useful applications that cannot be
+> placed in any other repository for whatever reason"
+>
+> sounds like a good comparison...
+>
+
+I was associating the richness and diversity of the  "City of Lights",
+but I like the way you think.
+
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Mon Dec 6 06:00:12 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
+>
+> On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+>
+>> the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a
+>> few words
+>> that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too
+>> difficult.
+>>
+>> otoh, there is also the fact that "free" or "core" don't really convey
+>> the
+>> correct meaning at all either and could be quite dubious.
+>>
+>> patented would be more correct, but i don't wanna call it that,
+>> because then
+>> mageia would be sued by patent-lawyers all over the world. don't get
+>> me wrong,
+>> it wouldn't be illegal, but it would just be too timeconsuming...
+>>
+>> imho, we should have a simple not too difficult word that somehow
+>> shows a bit
+>> about the nature of the contents in it, while still being vague enough.
+>
+> Okay, short words: iffy, chancy, dicey, knotty, clouded, foggy, hazy,
+> unclear, contro (for controversial),
+> prob (for problematic), equiv (for equivocal), irreg (for irregular). I
+> like iffy best. It's short, it's
+> informal, its meaning is clear, yet it's not too narrow.
+>
+> Dale Huckeby
+>
+>
+great idea, abreviations !
+contro, irreg, and equiv are abreviations for words that don't question 
+the quality.
+I like contro and irreg best.
+We can always give the full word in our documentation which explains the 
+purpose of each repository.
+That would work.
+
+(BTW, when I think about it, iffy could be considered to refer to 
+quality - but it's still way better than tainted.)
+
+Of course, there should be lots of other abreviations to choose from, if 
+collectively we don't like one of these.
+
+- André
+
+ + +
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Mon Dec 6 06:02:21 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>
+> Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 21:32:51 schreef andre999:
+>> Dale Huckeby a écrit :
+>>> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
+>>>> John a écrit :
+>>>>> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
+>>>>>
+>>>>> Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+>>>>>> Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+>>>>>> [...]
+>>>>>>
+>>>>>>> The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia
+>>>>>>> proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of
+>>>>>>> shock the first time I saw it :)).
+>>>>>>
+>>>>>> Heh, i had the same reaction.
+>>>>>>
+>>>>>>>  From all the proposed names, I think "tainted" is the best one, as
+>>>>>>> the
+>>>>>>>
+>>>>>>> packages in there are in a "grey" zone, i.e. not totally illegal
+>>>>>>> everywhere, but illegal only in some places in the world. And in
+>>>>>>> reality the existence of a patent doesn't necessarily mean it's
+>>>>>>> enforceable in a court of law (the only way we'd know for sure is if
+>>>>>>> someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€ worth :)
+>>>>
+>>>> Generally only potentially "illegal" in some countries.
+>>>> "Tainted" means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than
+>>>> potentially "illegal". (Really only actionable in a civil sense, not
+>>>> criminally illegal, as well.)
+>>>> A package could end up there due to an apparently credible rumour,
+>>>> later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)
+>>>
+>>> I agree. Problematic comes closer to "potentially illegal", so I looked
+>>> up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,
+>>> iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,
+>>> unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally
+>>> I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think several
+>>> of these would do. WDYT?
+>>>
+>>> Dale Huckeby
+>>
+>> A much better set of choices.
+>> (Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)
+>>
+>> Let's remember that the question for these packages is not the quality
+>> of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use them, for
+>> other reasons, in some countries.
+>> So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the
+>> QUALITY of the packages.
+>>
+>> Words in the list like
+>>    ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative
+>> avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.
+>> Or just not catchy enough ;)
+>> ("Iffy" might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)
+>>
+>> Additional words I found in Roget's thesaurus, along the same lines :
+>>
+>> Associated more with debatable :
+>> arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,
+>>
+>> Associated more with controversial :
+>> confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot
+>>
+>> Of these additional words, I think that "contestable", "disputable", and
+>> "controversial" are probably closest to the SENSE of the repositories.
+>> But maybe too formal ?
+>>
+>> Many of these words could be good choices.
+>> And maybe someone will come up with some more ?
+>>
+>> my 2 cents :)
+>>
+>> - André
+>
+>
+> i like speculative
+>
+>
+That's not bad
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ David W. Hodgins + davidwhodgins at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 06:54:02 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:02:21 -0500, andre999 <andr55 at laposte.net> wrote:
+
+> Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>> i like speculative
+> That's not bad
+
+I would prefer a very clear term, even if long, such as
+possibly-patented.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. + ewilcox at bex.net +
+ Mon Dec 6 08:29:58 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted 
+with a patent, etc., How about "non-GPL"? I think that such a name should be 
+well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are 
+familiar with the GPL.
+
+My2cents
+-- 
+Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+Registered Linux User 247790
+ICQ 41060744
+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 10:25:20 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. <ewilcox at bex.net> wrote:
+> With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted
+> with a patent, etc., How about "non-GPL"? I think that such a name should be
+> well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are
+> familiar with the GPL.
+>
+> My2cents
+> --
+> Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+> Registered Linux User 247790
+> ICQ 41060744
+>
+
+Read the afro-mentioned thread again; most of those stuff are released
+under a GPL/GPL-like license (faad and faac packages for example, for
+playing back and encoding using the AAC audio codec, respectively),
+they're free open source software, but they infringe some patents.
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Daniel Kreuter + daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 11:37:55 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>wrote:
+
+> On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. <ewilcox at bex.net> wrote:
+> > With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software
+> tainted
+> > with a patent, etc., How about "non-GPL"? I think that such a name should
+> be
+> > well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are
+> > familiar with the GPL.
+> >
+> > My2cents
+> > --
+> > Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+> > Registered Linux User 247790
+> > ICQ 41060744
+> >
+>
+> Read the afro-mentioned thread again; most of those stuff are released
+> under a GPL/GPL-like license (faad and faac packages for example, for
+> playing back and encoding using the AAC audio codec, respectively),
+> they're free open source software, but they infringe some patents.
+>
+> --
+> Ahmad Samir
+>
+
+Why don't we call it universe or something like that? It's a neutral meaning
+where also packages without patents and such with patents can be stored in.
+
+-- 
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+
+Greetings
+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 13:04:28 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 6 December 2010 12:37, Daniel Kreuter
+<daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com> wrote:
+>
+>
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>
+> wrote:
+>>
+>> On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. <ewilcox at bex.net> wrote:
+>> > With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software
+>> > tainted
+>> > with a patent, etc., How about "non-GPL"? I think that such a name
+>> > should be
+>> > well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they
+>> > are
+>> > familiar with the GPL.
+>> >
+>> > My2cents
+>> > --
+>> > Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+>> > Registered Linux User 247790
+>> > ICQ 41060744
+>> >
+>>
+>> Read the afro-mentioned thread again; most of those stuff are released
+>> under a GPL/GPL-like license (faad and faac packages for example, for
+>> playing back and encoding using the AAC audio codec, respectively),
+>> they're free open source software, but they infringe some patents.
+>>
+>> --
+>> Ahmad Samir
+>
+> Why don't we call it universe or something like that? It's a neutral meaning
+> where also packages without patents and such with patents can be stored in.
+>
+> --
+> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+>
+> Greetings
+>
+> Daniel Kreuter
+>
+>
+>
+>
+
+Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar
+reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is
+used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in "pay to use some
+more stuff".
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Daniel Kreuter + daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 13:10:16 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>wrote:
+
+>
+> Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar
+> reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is
+> used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in "pay to use some
+> more stuff".
+>
+> --
+> Ahmad Samir
+>
+
+Do they have a patent on the name?
+
+-- 
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+
+Greetings
+
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Anssi Hannula + anssi.hannula at iki.fi +
+ Mon Dec 6 13:42:11 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 06.12.2010 14:10, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+> 
+> 
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
+> <mailto:ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>> wrote:
+> 
+> 
+>     Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar
+>     reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is
+>     used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in "pay to use some
+>     more stuff".
+> 
+>     --
+>     Ahmad Samir
+> 
+> 
+> Do they have a patent on the name?
+
+No, but it will cause confusion among users if we use the same name for
+a different thing than they do.
+
+
+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Dec 6 13:43:37 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le lundi 06 décembre 2010 à 13:10 +0100, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>wrote:
+> 
+> >
+> > Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar
+> > reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is
+> > used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in "pay to use some
+> > more stuff".
+> >
+> > --
+> > Ahmad Samir
+> >
+> 
+> Do they have a patent on the name?
+
+
+Patents apply to technical invention. What could be used is trademark.
+
+And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
+rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
+this sound sane to no reuse the same word to hold a different meaning in
+a very similar context, or it will cause confusion.  
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 16:30:00 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+
+> And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
+> rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
+> this sound sane to no reuse the same word to hold a different meaning in
+> a very similar context, or it will cause confusion.
+>
+
+Again, a good argument for a name with no conflicts and no negative
+meanings: "paris".
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Maurice Batey + maurice at bcs.org.uk +
+ Mon Dec 6 17:26:32 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+via BitTorrent.
+
+That doesn't suit some people's situation.
+
+Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+(e.g. FTP)?
+
+-- 
+/\/\aurice 
+	(Retired in Surrey, UK)     Registered Linux User #487649
+	  Linux Mandriva 2010.1 32-bit  PowerPack (i686 kernel) 
+           KDE 4.5.2       Virtualbox 3.2.6     Firefox 3.6.12
+
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Cazzaniga Sandro + cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 17:35:20 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 06/12/2010 17:26, Maurice Batey a e'crit :
+> Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+> via BitTorrent.
+>
+> That doesn't suit some people's situation.
+>
+> Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+> (e.g. FTP)?
+>
+Maybe we can tell you when we will have iso ready ... We have others
+problems for now.
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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 17:36:26 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/12/6 Maurice Batey <maurice at bcs.org.uk>:
+> Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+> via BitTorrent.
+
+Not true. Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent
+AND FTP download from the mirrors.
+
+> Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+> (e.g. FTP)?
+
+This is one of those very very premature questions and will be
+discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But without
+punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions will come
+as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with torrents
+and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Daniel Kreuter + daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 17:39:07 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>wrote:
+
+> 2010/12/6 Maurice Batey <maurice at bcs.org.uk>:
+> > Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+> > via BitTorrent.
+>
+> Not true. Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent
+> AND FTP download from the mirrors.
+>
+> > Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+> > (e.g. FTP)?
+>
+> This is one of those very very premature questions and will be
+> discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But without
+> punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions will come
+> as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with torrents
+> and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.
+>
+> --
+> wobo
+>
+
+I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is still
+available as wobo mentioned above.
+
+-- 
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+
+Greetings
+
+Daniel Kreuter
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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Nex6 + borg at borg1911.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 21:40:44 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 12/6/2010 8:39 AM, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+>
+>
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang Bornath 
+> <molch.b at googlemail.com <mailto:molch.b at googlemail.com>> wrote:
+>
+>     2010/12/6 Maurice Batey <maurice at bcs.org.uk
+>     <mailto:maurice at bcs.org.uk>>:
+>     > Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+>     > via BitTorrent.
+>
+>     Not true. Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent
+>     AND FTP download from the mirrors.
+>
+>     > Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+>     > (e.g. FTP)?
+>
+>     This is one of those very very premature questions and will be
+>     discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But without
+>     punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions will come
+>     as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with torrents
+>     and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.
+>
+>     --
+>     wobo
+>
+>
+> I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is 
+> still available as wobo mentioned above.
+>
+> -- 
+> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+>
+> Greetings
+>
+> Daniel Kreuter
+>
+>
+>
+
+link:  http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/
+
+direct downloads are available....
+
+
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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Nex6 + borg at borg1911.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 21:44:39 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 12/6/2010 8:39 AM, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+>
+>
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang Bornath 
+> <molch.b at googlemail.com <mailto:molch.b at googlemail.com>> wrote:
+>
+>     2010/12/6 Maurice Batey <maurice at bcs.org.uk
+>     <mailto:maurice at bcs.org.uk>>:
+>     > Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+>     > via BitTorrent.
+>
+>     Not true. Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent
+>     AND FTP download from the mirrors.
+>
+>     > Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+>     > (e.g. FTP)?
+>
+>     This is one of those very very premature questions and will be
+>     discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But without
+>     punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions will come
+>     as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with torrents
+>     and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.
+>
+>     --
+>     wobo
+>
+>
+> I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is 
+> still available as wobo mentioned above.
+>
+> -- 
+> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+>
+> Greetings
+>
+> Daniel Kreuter
+>
+>
+>
+link:  http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/
+has a direct download link'
+
+
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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 21:55:45 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Could you please NOT write HTML mails using full quotes?
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Nex6 + borg at borg1911.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 22:00:15 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 12/6/2010 12:55 PM, Oliver Burger wrote:
+> Could you please NOT write HTML mails using full quotes?
+
+was accident....
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 22:04:10 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 6 December 2010 23:00, Nex6 <borg at borg1911.com> wrote:
+> On 12/6/2010 12:55 PM, Oliver Burger wrote:
+>>
+>> Could you please NOT write HTML mails using full quotes?
+>
+> was accident....
+>
+
+No problem :)
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 22:33:59 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff:
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+> > And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
+> > rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
+> > this sound sane to no reuse the same word to hold a different meaning in
+> > a very similar context, or it will cause confusion.
+> 
+> Again, a good argument for a name with no conflicts and no negative
+> meanings: "paris".
+
+no negative meaning???
+
+Paris Hilton anyone???
+
+afaik any word has negative meaning...
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Frank Griffin + ftg at roadrunner.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 22:40:45 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff:
+>   
+>> Again, a good argument for a name with no conflicts and no negative
+>> meanings: "paris".
+>>     
+> no negative meaning???
+>
+> Paris Hilton anyone???
+>   
+Hoyt is obviously not a subscriber to "The Reg" :-)
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 22:57:23 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+<maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+> no negative meaning???
+>
+> Paris Hilton anyone???
+>
+> afaik any word has negative meaning...
+>
+
+Snooki makes her look like a nun.
+
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Polizzi
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 23:13:42 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
+> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+> 
+> <maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+> > no negative meaning???
+> > 
+> > Paris Hilton anyone???
+> > 
+> > afaik any word has negative meaning...
+> 
+> Snooki makes her look like a nun.
+> 
+> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Polizzi
+
+seriously? with PH flashing not wearing underwear, flashing her privates 
+publicly, doing porn?
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Nex6 + borg at borg1911.com +
+ Mon Dec 6 23:30:39 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
+>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+>>
+>> <maarten.vanraes at gmail.com>  wrote:
+>>> no negative meaning???
+>>>
+>>> Paris Hilton anyone???
+>>>
+>>> afaik any word has negative meaning...
+>>
+>> Snooki makes her look like a nun.
+>>
+>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Polizzi
+>
+> seriously? with PH flashing not wearing underwear, flashing her privates
+> publicly, doing porn?
+
+I personally would not be against using a naming convention from Debian, 
+ubuntu or fedora.
+
+in that, people coming from those distros would 'know' what things mean.
+
+
+
+-Nex6
+
+
+ + +
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