[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Tue Nov 30 05:05:49 CET 2010

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:06 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
+> nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
+> >
+> >    
+> >> The supposed advantages of discarding a set of repositories over having an
+> >> obvious sandbox aren't clear.
+> >>      
+> > I think misc already explained it clearly in this mail :
+> > https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101129/001503.html
+> >
+> > If you disagree, you can reply to his email. But don't keep repeating
+> > that there's not clear drawbacks, that the cost of creating new
+> > repositories is almost nil and this kind of thing if you don't have
+> > any real arguments.
+> >
+> >    
+> Well you can insist that the mentioned drawbacks are significant, but if 
+> you follow my arguments, you will see that I explain why I don't believe 
+> they are.
+
+I would be more inclined to trust boklm's technical judgement, who is in
+charge of setting up the Mageia BS, who proposed several improvement on
+it ( uid splitting, etc ), who worked since several years as a packager,
+build system and cluster admin at Mandriva.
+
+> And I'm not the only one with this point of view.
+
+Not being alone doesn't mean that's a good idea. For example
+all lemmings that think that mass suicide are not alone.
+
+> It is useful to take a global point of view, with all the factors involved.
+
+Well, yes, and we think we did it. You know, we worked on a distribution
+since some time. So we have a global point of view. 
+
+> As well, some supposed costs make assumptions that we will do things the 
+> same way as Mandriva.  But I have presented a different way of doing 
+> things, which wouldn't necessarily entail such costs.
+
+You have presented exactly the same system as Mandriva. That's not what
+I call "different".
+
+
+> So you like to say that I don't have any real arguments.
+> Well I'd say that much of misc's arguments in that post don't hold if we 
+> do things in a different way. 
+> [..]
+>  In other posts, misc's arguments conform 
+> with my point of view.
+
+What you achieved is the demonstration about the emptiness of saying
+"misc's argument" without refering to the arguments you are speaking of.
+ 
+Next time, can you be more precise and say "$FOO do not hold because
+of .., while $BAR is in favor of my idea" with $FOO and $BAR being the
+actual arguments so we can at least understand ?
+
+I would also request you to refrain from using my nickname for doing
+such name dropping in the future.
+
+> By the way, I'm *not* proposing creating *new* repositories.  I'm 
+> proposing *not removing* some existing repositories, and doing certain 
+> things in a different way.
+
+We propose to remove existing repositories precisely because we know
+what problem this create to keep the existing system. And we know
+because we faced them. This is based on our experiences as long time
+packagers and distribution admins. 
+ 
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+