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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Fri Nov 26 08:37:18 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
MIhail Papadopoulos a écrit :
+>
+>
+> Why not going down the right path: A rolling release cycle would be simply
+> great. After all, this isn't a commercial distribution, so it shouldn't be
+> a total noob Ubuntu-style mishmash.
+>    
+
+Why ?
+What do you mean by "rolling" ?
+How would it improve things for the user ?
+How would it improve things for the developers/packages/translators who 
+provide Mageia ?
+What are the costs ?
+What are the benefits ?
+And how does that compare with the alternatives ?
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 09:14:28 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/11/26 andre999 <andr55 at laposte.net>:
+> MIhail Papadopoulos a écrit :
+>>
+>>
+>> Why not going down the right path: A rolling release cycle would be simply
+>> great. After all, this isn't a commercial distribution, so it shouldn't be
+>> a total noob Ubuntu-style mishmash.
+>>
+>
+> Why ?
+> What do you mean by "rolling" ?
+> How would it improve things for the user ?
+> How would it improve things for the developers/packages/translators who
+> provide Mageia ?
+> What are the costs ?
+> What are the benefits ?
+> And how does that compare with the alternatives ?
+
+This has already been discussed in length in one of the lists, very
+early, IIRC ist was early October . There were even polls in
+communities about.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Marc Paré + marc at marcpare.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 11:21:08 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 2010-11-26 03:14, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> 2010/11/26 andre999<andr55 at laposte.net>:
+>> MIhail Papadopoulos a écrit :
+>>>
+>>>
+>>> Why not going down the right path: A rolling release cycle would be simply
+>>> great. After all, this isn't a commercial distribution, so it shouldn't be
+>>> a total noob Ubuntu-style mishmash.
+>>>
+>>
+>> Why ?
+>> What do you mean by "rolling" ?
+>> How would it improve things for the user ?
+>> How would it improve things for the developers/packages/translators who
+>> provide Mageia ?
+>> What are the costs ?
+>> What are the benefits ?
+>> And how does that compare with the alternatives ?
+>
+> This has already been discussed in length in one of the lists, very
+> early, IIRC ist was early October . There were even polls in
+> communities about.
+>
+
+Yes it was. I think it will re-surface again due to Ubuntu's recent 
+advertising of going to a "rolling distro" scheme. We may have to go 
+through another round of these comments.
+
+Do we have an archive list of the user mailist where we can refer people 
+to continue on that particular thread? Are the mailists archived?
+
+Marc
+Marketing Team Member
+
+
+ + + +
+

+ +
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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 11:35:37 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Marc Paré <marc at marcpare.com> schrieb am 2010-11-26
+> Do we have an archive list of the user mailist where we can refer people
+> to continue on that particular thread? Are the mailists archived?
+https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101009/001055.html
+
+-- 
+http://www.mageia.org - Mageia, the magic continues
+
+
+Oliver Burger
+
+Mageia webteam
+
+ + + +
+

+ +
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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Marc Paré + marc at marcpare.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 11:47:31 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 2010-11-26 05:35, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> Marc Paré<marc at marcpare.com>  schrieb am 2010-11-26
+>> Do we have an archive list of the user mailist where we can refer people
+>> to continue on that particular thread? Are the mailists archived?
+> https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101009/001055.html
+>
+
+Merci Olivier
+
+Marc
+
+
+ + + +
+

+ +
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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 12:23:58 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 26 November 2010 12:21, Marc Paré <marc at marcpare.com> wrote:
+> Le 2010-11-26 03:14, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+>>
+>> 2010/11/26 andre999<andr55 at laposte.net>:
+>>>
+>>> MIhail Papadopoulos a écrit :
+>>>>
+>>>>
+>>>> Why not going down the right path: A rolling release cycle would be
+>>>> simply
+>>>> great. After all, this isn't a commercial distribution, so it shouldn't
+>>>> be
+>>>> a total noob Ubuntu-style mishmash.
+>>>>
+>>>
+>>> Why ?
+>>> What do you mean by "rolling" ?
+>>> How would it improve things for the user ?
+>>> How would it improve things for the developers/packages/translators who
+>>> provide Mageia ?
+>>> What are the costs ?
+>>> What are the benefits ?
+>>> And how does that compare with the alternatives ?
+>>
+>> This has already been discussed in length in one of the lists, very
+>> early, IIRC ist was early October . There were even polls in
+>> communities about.
+>>
+>
+> Yes it was. I think it will re-surface again due to Ubuntu's recent
+> advertising of going to a "rolling distro" scheme. We may have to go through
+> another round of these comments.
+>
+> Do we have an archive list of the user mailist where we can refer people to
+> continue on that particular thread? Are the mailists archived?
+>
+> Marc
+> Marketing Team Member
+>
+>
+
+You mean the "rumours" that Ubuntu will switch to a rolling distro
+model? http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Rolling-release-rumours-wrong-1142040.html
+
+(thanks to misc posting the link on IRC yesterday).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Marc Paré + marc at marcpare.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 12:49:38 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 2010-11-26 06:23, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
+
+>
+> You mean the "rumours" that Ubuntu will switch to a rolling distro
+> model? http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Rolling-release-rumours-wrong-1142040.html
+>
+> (thanks to misc posting the link on IRC yesterday).
+>
+
+Yes. Thanks for the link and setting me straight on this too. I'm sure 
+that I am not the only one who was not fully informed of the reply to 
+the original rumour. I read the original article on LinuxToday.com. I 
+now see that they have a link to an article setting this straight 
+http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ubuntu-sticking-six-month-development-cycle 
+
+
+Thanks again.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Fri Nov 26 13:14:02 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le vendredi 26 novembre 2010 à 06:49 -0500, Marc Paré a écrit :
+> Le 2010-11-26 06:23, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
+> 
+> >
+> > You mean the "rumours" that Ubuntu will switch to a rolling distro
+> > model? http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Rolling-release-rumours-wrong-1142040.html
+> >
+> > (thanks to misc posting the link on IRC yesterday).
+> >
+> 
+> Yes. Thanks for the link and setting me straight on this too. I'm sure 
+> that I am not the only one who was not fully informed of the reply to 
+> the original rumour. I read the original article on LinuxToday.com. I 
+> now see that they have a link to an article setting this straight 
+> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ubuntu-sticking-six-month-development-cycle 
+> 
+
+If people digged a little bit more in the original article, they would
+not need to set it straight. For having discussed with a Canonical
+developper, their plan is in the line of what we started to do with
+backports and mageia-app-db, but integrated in the software center.
+
+The main point is the "opportunist developper" plan explained by Jono
+Bacon some times ago. Ie, people who create small applications, like
+what they do on the iPhone, but on Linux ( see
+http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/06/the-grand-app-writing-challenge-submissions/ ). And this requires them to be able to deliver theses application on current stable, and maybe on older releases too. So once the required infrastructure is there, it can be reused for more heavyweight backports too.
+
+And maybe that's also something to do with the reflexion of Matt
+Zimmerman ( Canonical CTO )
+http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/07/06/weve-packaged-all-of-the-free-software-what-now/
+
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Thomas Backlund + tmb at iki.fi +
+ Fri Nov 26 21:29:14 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi,
+As we are getting closer to actually have something to mirror it's time 
+to get this decided.
+
+And the deadline for theese discussions is December 5th, 2010 in
+order to get a decision on the board meeting on December 6th, 2010.
+
+
+Now this is a somewhat problematic topic but needs to be decided.
+This has already been discussed in two threads:
+
+First off we have the "basic) part:
+"Mirror tree structure" by Olivier Thauvin
+https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101020/001286.html
+
+And the other part (that gives some problems):
+"Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc" by 
+Anssi Hannula.
+https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101012/001084.html
+
+
+Now, in order to get somewhere, here is a suggestion that tries to find 
+a middle ground or base for discussions...
+
+Now this toplevel part seems to be ok by everyone:
+------
+Mageia/
+       /distrib/
+               /cauldron/
+               /stable1/
+       /iso/
+           /cauldron/
+                   /i586/
+                   /srpms/
+                   /x86_64/
+           /stable1/
+       /people/
+       /software/
+------
+
+
+Then we come to the "problematic" part:
+------
+/x86_64/
+        /media/
+              /codecs/ (disabled by default)
+              /core/ (old main+contrib)
+                   /backports/ (disabled by default)
+                   /backports_testing/ (disabled by default)
+                   /release/
+                   /testing/ (disabled by default)
+                   /updates/
+              /extra/ (unmaintained, disabled by default)
+              /firmware/ (disabled by default)
+              /games/ (disabled by default)
+              /non-free/ (disabled by default)
+              /debug_*/ (disabled by default)
+-----
+
+The idea of this layout with some of the separate sections (codecs, 
+firmware, games, non-free, debug_*) gives a mirror maintainer in a 
+country (or company) the option to exclude the parts they legally (or by 
+company policy) can not mirror.
+
+The "core" should be only maintained free/libre stuff so it's easy to 
+build a free/libre iso
+
+"extra" is for those packages that no-one really maintain, but is still 
+used by someone
+
+"games" are now a separate repo since it can grow fast with a lot of 
+game data.
+
+
+So,
+Comments / Thoughts...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

+ Renaud MICHEL + r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com +
+ Fri Nov 26 22:43:31 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On vendredi 26 novembre 2010 at 21:29, Thomas Backlund wrote :
+> Then we come to the "problematic" part:
+> ------
+> x86_64
+>         media
+>               codecs (disabled by default)
+>               core (old main+contrib)
+>                    backports (disabled by default)
+>                    backports_testing (disabled by default)
+>                    release
+>                    testing (disabled by default)
+>                    updates
+>               extra (unmaintained, disabled by default)
+>               firmware (disabled by default)
+>               games (disabled by default)
+>               non-free (disabled by default)
+>               /debug_*/ (disabled by default)
+> -----
+> 
+> The idea of this layout with some of the separate sections (codecs, 
+> firmware, games, non-free, debug_*) gives a mirror maintainer in a 
+> country (or company) the option to exclude the parts they legally (or by 
+> company policy) can not mirror.
+> 
+> The "core" should be only maintained free/libre stuff so it's easy to 
+> build a free/libre iso
+> 
+> "extra" is for those packages that no-one really maintain, but is still 
+> used by someone
+> 
+> "games" are now a separate repo since it can grow fast with a lot of 
+> game data.
+
+I think it is a good layout, but, are updates/backports(testing) limited to 
+core?
+
+As you mentioned, extra has no reason to have updates or backports, because 
+if someone did bother to make updates, then the package doesn't belong in 
+extra.
+
+For games it would surely be appreciated to have new versions, so maybe a 
+only a games/updates media which could also be used as a backport media (as 
+games are not critical).
+
+For non-free we would probably want also updates and backports, like in 
+current mandriva.
+
+Now for firmware and codecs I don't know, are there updates for firmwares?
+Maybe they should be in sync with kernel updates (or external modules)?
+As for codecs, will it contain anything that could be covered by patents, 
+like PLF for mandriva?
+Does that mean we will still have a stripped down mplayer/xine in core and a 
+full version in codecs?
+But if it is only disabled and you only need to activate it in the control 
+center to have full featured multimedia programs, it is no big deal, and if 
+it makes life easier for people  whose countries have restrictive law then 
+we should go for it.
+
+We should probably have a clear rule to decide what cannot go in core and 
+should in non-free (that on is pretty clear already) codecs or firmware.
+
+I hope we will soon get to the point where we will actually put packages in 
+those repositories :-)
+
+-- 
+Renaud Michel
+
+ + +
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