[Mageia-dev] So?

Wed Sep 29 00:44:18 CEST 2010

Le 28/09/2010 21:08, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit :
+> EN (lecteurs français, je vous conseille de lire ci-dessous)
+>
+> Okay, - What is the governance of this project ?
+>
+Hi Lucien,
+
+As you may know (or may not) this project started rather quickly with a
+great amount of energy and many positive reactions. But the plans were
+not precise because people did not have the time to plan it minutely :)
+
+So this project WILL have a public governance as stated on "New grounds"
+chapter on http://mageia.org
+
+Having a self-proclaimed board (made of the core people on whom the
+distribution used to rely for building and realease roadmaps)  for the
+first year while we try to make our beloved distribution survive is
+something i consider neither illogical not illegitimate :)
+
+So even if the board is not precisely named i can guess a number of
+names that could appear in the list without shocking me :)
+
+If you're old enough in mandrake/mandriva i think you can even have a
+better gess :)
+
+> I believe that the old worker of Mandriva are the most activs. But it
+> is not very false when person like Mahteus (or me), are feeling a
+> problem.
+>
+> I don't doubt that the governance of the project is not null ... But
+> we, others of "who maintain the list", we don't see anything.
+>
+Well it's all over again the myth of the one-month-child :)
+
+(For those who do not know about this "myth" think about this : while
+one woman can have a baby in nine months, with nine women you'll never
+be able to have a baby in one month ^^)
+
+At the moment there are a very little number of "babies" : the build
+system (highest priority, requires money from the donations), the web
+servers ( lower priority because we have temporary replacement sites
+like the blog and the root website )
+
+These "babies" we cannot put many womens to have them... that would make
+no sense to send zillions of people to bring servers in a datacenter
+(and the datacenter owner would not let many enter)... same thing for
+servers (even if there will be 5 or 6 in the build system) install and
+configuration : a handful of sysadmins are enough for that... having a
+man per keyboard key would not speed up things you can trust me :)
+
+And before physical and software install, the design of global
+architecture and proof of concept made on sandbox machines cannot be
+charged on more than 2 or 3 guys :)
+
+That's just common sense... :)
+
+> Who is actually the captain, or most contributers ?
+>
+Actually we have ennael whom i consider the person currently nearest
+from this idea of "captain". But at the moment, to find a place in a
+datacenter, design the future build system and install a handful of rack
+servers we cannot parallelize more i guess :)
+
+And those who work on these tasks know perfectly what to do (i would bet
+on that) so they do not need a "captain"
+
+Later, the infrastructure, once up and running, will allow many people
+to work simultaneously. Please just give people time to set up this
+first stone of the building :)
+
+> Who is the team who decide the rules like : to put TXT format and not
+> HTML format in the mail of the list ? Or to speak only in english ? Or
+> to do only RPM and not DEB ? This 3 late days, I have only seen this
+> kind of movement.
+>
+For the first that's just a rule shared by every opensource project i
+know... it's just common sense again : many people do use pure text mail
+readers like mutt or pine... if you send html people will see rubbish
+full of <div><div><span><ul><li><i><b><a
+href="http://blahblah.blah/page">link to
+read</a></b></i></li><ul></span></div></div><table><th><td>something
+else to read</td><tr><td>....
+
+And for people who use mobile mail readers, html makes emails soooo
+sloooow to download :-(
+
+For english it's again common sense as english is the lowest common
+denominator for communications, hence it's a de-facto standard used in
+every big opensource community :)
+
+>
+> So, I think I (and a lot of others) will take more confidence in this
+> project if certain person said what they do.
+>
+That imho can be said without big concern...
+
+>
+> We have a wiki for write what each can do. But we have nothing for
+> "institute" what will be done, when, and who do what ?
+>
+>
+> Just a first question : when and where will be done the first meeting
+> of the foundation in France ? I want participate, I will take a day of
+> holidays in my company for the creation and write of the statuts of
+> this foundation. But, it seems that someone is back the decision, and
+> now, actually, I don't see who (or which group).
+>
+What foundation ? Afaik Mageia will rely on a not-for-profit dedicated
+organization. Not a foundation iirc.
+
+> Mageia will not survive if you make the sames mistake of the last
+> managers of Mandriva. For me it was : decision in dark and no
+> visibility to the community.
+>
+At the moment all the more or less important decisions have been voted
+and discussed on these lists afaik (Cauldron name, logo...)
+
+(Setting up a build system is not really a decision as we cannot work
+without it. It's just rough and hard work to prepare it on sandbox
+machines while waiting to have a place in a datacenter... and enough
+money to buy the real servers)
+
+> This community is not only maked from hard-coders for fun ... but also
+> people not exclusively technicians but can bring a lot to a community
+> (which I also learned to make ABAP / java / Ada95 10 years ago, but
+> now, I am no more exactly in this job ... and can give a little part
+> of me).
+>
+Well as said by many your (mine also i hope) and every volunteer help is
+most welcome but just now at this precise minute the tasks that can be
+processed are not so many and they take a fair amount of time to
+complete... those involved probably sleep little and work as hard as
+they can.
+
+Once this phase is finished i guess that many more people will be able
+to get in and contribute :)
+
+Please do not make things harder for those who work on the critical path
+and more unbearable the time for those who are waiting :-(
+
+Maât
+
+
+