[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)

Fri Nov 4 14:29:24 CET 2011

Op 03-11-11 20:59, Manuel Hiebel schreef:
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+> Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 14:06 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit :
+>> Marja *is* available for a meeting saturday and sunday, except saturday
+>> between 10.00h UTC and 18.00h UTC
+>>>> Hi everyone,
+>>>>
+>>>>
+We have six subjects to discuss:
+
+>>>>    1. Groups permission, add status ?
+> The subject "add status" was alredy discuss with the "TRIAGED" status so
+> for me it's on the mageia-dev (a mail was send by stormi)
+>
+> I can not remember why I have add this "Groups permission" on the wiki.
+> Seems it's better to give full power to all people, I don't see at the
+> moment what we (triage guys) need more.
+>
+This is about having a group  "BugSquad members" for bugzilla and giving full power to everyone in that group, isn't it?
+
+To be honest, I was very amazed I had the power to close someone else's bugs the minute I started, I don't think new members expect that.
+
+Maybe we could have a "BugSquad novices" group too, with less power.
+Oops, I'd be in that group, now ;)
+
+By the way: who keeps track of who has which permissions on Bugzilla, and of anything that should cause permissions for someone to be changed?
+
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+>>>>    2. what to do for unconfirmed bug. (like bug 2081
+>>>>       https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081
+> Same topic that "add status".
+> If I'm not wrong, there is a status UNCONFIRMED but only accessible (for
+> us) after that the bug was closed.
+> I will ask dmorgan if he can allow the status transitions new>
+> unconfirmed.
+>
+Ah, I misunderstood what you meant.
+
+Somewhere deep down in my memory I seem to recollect that we weren't going to use that status, but if that's right, Samuel will remember :)
+
+>>>>    3. bug 1364<https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364>  Does it
+>>>>       irritate most of us, to have to fill out a comment field when
+>>>>       closing a bug as duplicate?
+> For me there is no problem to add a comment (since I have make a little
+> script, but I can't redistribute it for now, too dirty)
+>
+That makes three (so far) who don't see a problem, and zero who do :)
+
+>>>>    4. How do we improve the way we communicate with reporters and one
+>>>>       another about how much is done (bug 3047
+>>>> <https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047>  comment 18)
+> I think it's better to say what we make, like "bug assigned to
+> maintainer", so same as 3.
+>
+Yes, we should say or explain what we do :)
+
+>>> 5.I'd like to add a fifth subject: on the tenth of october, I sent a
+>>>> mail to our ml asking who would be willing to help DJ Marian to learn
+>>>> to triage. No one replied
+> Maybe I can try but I don't know what to said. :)
+> Personally I have read bugs@ and ask on irc (French or development
+> channel)
+>
+
+When I asked that, I didn't know there are so few of us nor that our members are very busy with other things or are novices themselves.
+
+To be honest: had I known, I wouldn't have asked.
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+I'll try to make a "Bug Squad starter" page on the new wiki, and merge what you did with what I did and hopefully add what others did, to learn to triage.
+
+* read bugs
+* read the triage guide over and over again
+* read the bug policy (I had to repeat that, too)
+* ask on irc (# mageia-bugsquad, #mageia or #mageia-dev channel)
+and don't get frightened if no one replies: in that case, everybody is too busy or away and someone will reply later
+* start trying code from the triage guide for yourself, to see what happens
+* learn how to use Sophie
+* look around in upstream Bugzilla's and forums
+* learn how to make even better use of Sophie
+
+There is a lot more documentation than I thought, though, some policies, packagers' pages and -not to forget- QA pages contain very useful information for us. They'll be easier to find in the new wiki :)
+
+
+>>> 6. In the Bug Squad page in our new wiki, I put: Team leaders: Shared
+>>> responsibility of the team members
+> Well if nodody want I can take this great role. (same as council) :D
+>
+I vote for you, you're a much better choice than me because you know a lot more and because you have better contacts.
+
+On IRC I understood you approve of my trying to get us to discuss things and have meetings.
+
+If that's correct and if you want me to keep doing that, I'd like to be deputy leader, so that no one will think: "who does she think she is, trying to get us together for a meeting?"
+
+>>>> My ideas are:
+>>>>
+>>>> # 1 Postpone that subject again
+>>>> # 2 Let the developer of the package decide
+>>>> # 3 It's good to explain why you think it is a duplicate so I think
+>>>> 1364 should be closed
+>>>> # 4 Make time to communicate. We have more time when we have more
+>>>> triagers: /Idea:/ Explain to all packagers that there are barely any
+>>>> triagers and ask them who is willing to become a member of the bug
+>>>> squad _only for one or more of their own packages_
+>>>> # 5 At this moment, with the work on the new wiki, I don't have time
+>>>> either :(
+>>> If no one else volunteers and if most of us agree, I'm willing to
+>>> become team leader if Manuel is willing to become deputy team leader.
+>>> (Yes, Samuel would be a better leader than me, as soon as he's got
+>>> enough time I'll gladly resign in favour of him :-) )
+>>>> Please share what you think about these - and maybe more - issues
+>>>>
+>>>> Regards,
+>>>> Marja
+>>>>
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