[Mageia-artwork] Window decoration

Tue Sep 6 10:16:03 CEST 2011

On 3 July 2011 20:10, Anne Nicolas <ennael1 at gmail.com> wrote:
+> Le 03/07/2011 17:02, Max Quarterpleen a écrit :
+>
+> This has also been discussed in the forum:
+> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=203
+>
+> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Thorsten van Lil <tvl83 at gmx.de> wrote:
+>>
+>> Hey,
+>>
+>> the discussion also take place last week in the mailing list, but I'd like
+>> to
+>> do that in an extra thread.
+>>
+>> To summarize the current situation:
+>> The current window decoration (Ia Ora), looks old fashioned and is hard to
+>> maintain. It would also require a lot effort to port IaOra to gtk3 (needed
+>> for
+>> Gnome3). Therefore we need a new window decorations and there are the
+>> following solutions:
+>> 1.) use the default decoration of each desktop environment:
+>> * Very easy, no extra work needed
+>> * all work is done upstream
+>> * no unique look for mageia
+>> * different look in kde and gnome
+>>
+>> 2.) create a new decoration for mageia
+>> * Unique look for mageia
+>> * uniform look in all environments
+>> * heavy heavy load for the devs (kde, qt4, gtk2, gtk3)
+>>
+>> 3.) Use other existing window decorations
+>> * easy, just a few work needed
+>> * the are decorations that exists for all common environments -> uniform
+>> look
+>> * relative unique look for mageia
+>> * hard to say, what happens if the upstream developer drop the decoration
+>>
+>> >From the dev-side of view, solution 1 is the best. But form the
+>> artwork-side,
+>> I'm not very happy with it. Our KDE would look like Kubuntu, but with a
+>> different startmenu button. Although a lot of people change the decoration
+>> either, it's making a special first impression if it looks different (and
+>> good,
+>> hopefully). Thus, I would like, if we can go with solution 3. But for
+>> that, we
+>> need more information.
+>>
+>> I need one of you, who will search the web for decorations that exist in
+>> kde,
+>> gnome (and qt). And list them somewhere in the wiki. After that, we can
+>> take a
+>> closer look, if this a practicable way, or if we better go with an other
+>> solution.
+>>
+>> One extra note: It already has been mentioned, that the oxygen window
+>> decoration (which is the default for KDE) exist also for GNOME2/3 and Qt
+>
+> Except some comments like "I don't like it" or "it's old", some points we
+> should keep in mind
+>
+> - ia_ora took ages to be integrated in both KDE and GNOME. Design part of
+> the game is somewhat the smallest part of the iceberg :). Technical
+> integration is another story.
+> - having the same theme for both KDE and GNOME is not only a question of
+> choosing an environment. More and more users are mixing GTK and Qt apps.
+> Having something uniform was quite a strong point in Mandriva and it should
+> be a mandatory point
+> - as explained in first point, developping a theme is painfull. If we have a
+> theme available for bot environment that is a good starting point.
+> Developpers can always decide not to develop it at one time. But at least we
+> have something ready to use.
+>
+> Cheers
+>
+>>
+>> Regards,
+>> Thorsten
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+I'm with Anne, a uniform look is very important.
+
+Well, there is qtcurve and as you mention above, oxygen is ported to
+most widget sets. There is also the qt-gtk engine, but I feel that we
+should avoid this as I have heard bad reports and I think it might
+make changing themes in gnome troublesome.
+