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Oktober 2011, 13:11:33 schrieb Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 20:27, Yuri Chornoivan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">yurchor at ukr.net</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > <A HREF="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate</A> +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > This extension can significantly ease up maintenance of the translations +</I>>><i> > with no additional efforts to sync translations with original (automatic +</I>>><i> > synchronization). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Actually, we didn't plan to manage l10n that way, but by having +</I>>><i> distinct wiki instances per locale (wiki.mageia.org/en/, +</I>>><i> wiki.mageia.org/fr/ and so on) and interwiki-link them. The same way +</I>>><i> Wikipedia does it actually (and we used to at MDV as well). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So using this extension means a significant change in how we lay things out. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Since I was away for a few days and had to do some presentation yesterday, I +</I>><i> only now could look into this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please correct me, if I'm wrong! +</I>><i> If I understand this correctly, it wil kind of force syncronization between +</I>><i> the en wiki and the others. +</I> +As I understand it, it gives translation progress stats between +locales and allows to translate chunks by chunks (so it's a 1-1 +translation, with less freedom for a given locale to do things a bit +differently - for good and for bad). + +><i> As I said in last i18n meeting as well as in doc team, I'd like to keep the +</I>><i> more important things like +</I>><i> - really important documentation +</I>><i> - errata +</I>><i> - information about the project +</I>><i> - ... +</I>><i> in sync. +</I> +That's clearly a nice feat; does it do it really with this extension? +Couldn't this be done as well with a watchdog script on a given set of +defined pages, which reports is fed into i18n web page or ml? (or even +use mediawiki page watch feature directly). + +><i> But I do see fields in which a dezentralization is important as well, +</I>><i> e.g. planning an event can be done very nicely using a wiki (like we did for +</I>><i> FOSDEM 2011 or MandrivaUser.de does for some time. +</I> +Well, decoupling is not always best, but it helps + +Here are issues I see with the extensions: + - non-localized URLs (instead of w.m.o/en/Home and w.m.o/fr/Accueil +(ie, localized title _in_ the URL), we would have w.m.o/Home and +w.m.o/Home/fr (English title in the URL); that's not blocking, but +that's not so good either; + - inconsistent navigation in a chosen locale (tested on the KDE Userbase wiki): + - my browser accepts French as a primary language, so content is +returned to me in French; + - I decide to look at the Spanish version of a page; fine, it +works; my intent is to navigate the Spanish-speaking pages now; + - clicking on another wiki link will forward me to the default URL, +that will be rewritten in French => back to French, where I would have +expected Spanish; + - right, digging into this, this is because those links are +prefixed such as: "Special:myLanguage/Applications" which rewrites to +Applications/fr + - we didn't plan to setup the wiki that way *, and that's a +significant change, so either that is really important for you and it +has to be considered _now_, or it can be done differently with the +planned wiki setup. + +* expected wiki setup is: + - <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/</A> + - <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/fr/">http://wiki.mageia.org/fr/</A> +... and so on, with locale aware interwiki links (the way Wikipedia +does it). It certainly has drawbacks too. But the point is that things +get done in the end. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002345.html">[Mageia-i18n] [proposition] Using Translate extension on Mageia wiki +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002348.html">[Mageia-i18n] [proposition] Using Translate extension on Mageia wiki +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2346">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2346">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2346">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2346">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">More information about the Mageia-i18n +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |