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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/37a284b2/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/37a284b2/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..139a68e54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/37a284b2/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 20:40, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>></span> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +but with this gateway, their messages would be<br> +posted to the MLs with their email <br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br> +</font></blockquote></div>As far as I know, this is not the case.<br>I posted a message from the test forum,<br><a href="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</a><br>and it appears 'normally' on the ML (the same as if I had posted on the ML)<br> +No private email to see.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/37a284b2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/37a284b2/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..139a68e54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/37a284b2/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 20:40, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>></span> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +but with this gateway, their messages would be<br> +posted to the MLs with their email <br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br> +</font></blockquote></div>As far as I know, this is not the case.<br>I posted a message from the test forum,<br><a href="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</a><br>and it appears 'normally' on the ML (the same as if I had posted on the ML)<br> +No private email to see.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/476e1a24/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/476e1a24/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86c645d6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/476e1a24/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkyo8j0ACgkQk29cDOWzfVAJPQCg5zcGeTVbqgQRiJK2lzEVKQOF +B6QAoNpygcR0XAT1n19UQjbTYXbgjs5S +=MHis +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/476e1a24/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/476e1a24/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86c645d6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/476e1a24/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkyo8j0ACgkQk29cDOWzfVAJPQCg5zcGeTVbqgQRiJK2lzEVKQOF +B6QAoNpygcR0XAT1n19UQjbTYXbgjs5S +=MHis +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/7ce6185f/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/7ce6185f/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7539504a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/7ce6185f/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkyo9l0ACgkQk29cDOWzfVAdhACfYvMI+4a65V5dGAqhkbTiowy5 +vQsAn2PtcfbviCPTRvnoO76oUYQknBg2 +=urXR +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/7ce6185f/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/7ce6185f/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7539504a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/7ce6185f/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkyo9l0ACgkQk29cDOWzfVAdhACfYvMI+4a65V5dGAqhkbTiowy5 +vQsAn2PtcfbviCPTRvnoO76oUYQknBg2 +=urXR +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/91ac7e71/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/91ac7e71/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b0730668 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/91ac7e71/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + + <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> + </head> + <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> + <pre>would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area + + +<<span class="start-tag">a</span><span class="attribute-name"> href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</a><span>"</span>><<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon- +flickr.png</a><span>"</span>></<span class="end-tag">a</span>>&<span class="entity">nbsp;</span> + +it must be +<a href="<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>"><<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon- +flickr.png</a><span>"</span>></<span class="end-tag">a</span>>&<span class="entity">nbsp;</span> + +</pre> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/91ac7e71/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/91ac7e71/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b0730668 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/91ac7e71/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + + <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> + </head> + <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> + <pre>would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area + + +<<span class="start-tag">a</span><span class="attribute-name"> href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</a><span>"</span>><<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon- +flickr.png</a><span>"</span>></<span class="end-tag">a</span>>&<span class="entity">nbsp;</span> + +it must be +<a href="<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>"><<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon- +flickr.png</a><span>"</span>></<span class="end-tag">a</span>>&<span class="entity">nbsp;</span> + +</pre> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/a87a63d2/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/a87a63d2/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0d8ddc67 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/a87a63d2/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 21:40, Ma�t <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br> +But we need to do this properly because on a huge forum<br> +and with very active lists moderators will go crazy...<br> +<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes. I think there are many different ways to regulate the traffic of different lists. For example read only from the forum side for 'sensitive' lists.<br>There must be a discussion to determine a structure of lists whith different properties such that the needs/desires of all participants (users, develppers, moderators, administrators ...) are met.<br> +<br>� <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +And we must also think of people who will suscribe to lists<br> +but who will not be pleased to see their names and posts on a<br> +well known forum<br> +<br> +(the mls archives are far less attractive)<br> +<br> +Your contribution on this part will be really positive for mageia i think :)<br> +<br> +For the while we need to test and improve it so that it's bulletproof<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Ma�t<br> +<br> +<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/a87a63d2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/a87a63d2/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0d8ddc67 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/a87a63d2/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 21:40, Ma�t <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br> +But we need to do this properly because on a huge forum<br> +and with very active lists moderators will go crazy...<br> +<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes. I think there are many different ways to regulate the traffic of different lists. For example read only from the forum side for 'sensitive' lists.<br>There must be a discussion to determine a structure of lists whith different properties such that the needs/desires of all participants (users, develppers, moderators, administrators ...) are met.<br> +<br>� <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +And we must also think of people who will suscribe to lists<br> +but who will not be pleased to see their names and posts on a<br> +well known forum<br> +<br> +(the mls archives are far less attractive)<br> +<br> +Your contribution on this part will be really positive for mageia i think :)<br> +<br> +For the while we need to test and improve it so that it's bulletproof<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Ma�t<br> +<br> +<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/d8f8de77/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/d8f8de77/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..10ea0dcec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/d8f8de77/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:49, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Margot <<a href="mailto:margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk">margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</a>> schrieb am 2010-10-03<br> +<div class="im">> > > SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography<br> +> > > (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:<br> +> > > <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements" target="_blank">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</a>).<br> +> > > or by language (such as en-gb)?<br> +</div><div class="im">> > My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where<br> +> > it is applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:<br> +> ><br> +> > #mageia-gb for United Kingdom<br> +> > #mageia-ua for Ukraine<br> +<br> +</div>I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a<br> +channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I<br> +don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make<br> +sense.<br> +The reason for having those "sub channels" is, that people can speak in their<br> +own language...<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the language for 'everybody', so any 'local' conversation is submerged. Other laguages don't have that problem to that extent.<br clear="all"> +<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/d8f8de77/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/d8f8de77/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..10ea0dcec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/d8f8de77/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:49, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Margot <<a href="mailto:margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk">margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</a>> schrieb am 2010-10-03<br> +<div class="im">> > > SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography<br> +> > > (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:<br> +> > > <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements" target="_blank">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</a>).<br> +> > > or by language (such as en-gb)?<br> +</div><div class="im">> > My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where<br> +> > it is applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:<br> +> ><br> +> > #mageia-gb for United Kingdom<br> +> > #mageia-ua for Ukraine<br> +<br> +</div>I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a<br> +channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I<br> +don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make<br> +sense.<br> +The reason for having those "sub channels" is, that people can speak in their<br> +own language...<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Oliver<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the language for 'everybody', so any 'local' conversation is submerged. Other laguages don't have that problem to that extent.<br clear="all"> +<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f24cfc694 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier M�jean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a �crit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br> +> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather<br> +> than mailing lists, but still want to �partecipate in the mailing list<br> +> discussions!<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Hi there<br> +<br> +Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.<br> +<br> +However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are<br> +quite different from ML users.<br> +<br> +In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a<br> +distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are<br> +also end-users). </blockquote><div>�</div><div>I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we<br> +will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum<br> +must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top<br> +posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just<br> +use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in<br> +computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how<br> +theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside<br> +those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite<br> +impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).<br> +So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.<br>(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. </blockquote><div><br>That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly.<br> +The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.<br>That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.<br> +<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">As a user i<br> +do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to<br> +navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more<br> +attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same<br> +thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,<br> +but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point<br> +and click, validate.<br> +<br> +I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also<br> +two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc<br> +Par� is on) ?<br> +<br> +So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML<br> +and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me<br> +is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, </blockquote><div><br>How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?<br>(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)<br> +�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">some of us<br> +will be on both tools but most will use just one.<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.<br> +<br>I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.<br>These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.<br> +</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<font color="#888888"><br> +--<br> +Olivier M�jean<br> +Pr�sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br> +<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br> +twitter : obagoom<br> +<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f24cfc694 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier M�jean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a �crit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br> +> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather<br> +> than mailing lists, but still want to �partecipate in the mailing list<br> +> discussions!<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Hi there<br> +<br> +Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.<br> +<br> +However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are<br> +quite different from ML users.<br> +<br> +In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a<br> +distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are<br> +also end-users). </blockquote><div>�</div><div>I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we<br> +will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum<br> +must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top<br> +posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just<br> +use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in<br> +computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how<br> +theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside<br> +those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite<br> +impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).<br> +So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.<br>(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. </blockquote><div><br>That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly.<br> +The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.<br>That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.<br> +<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">As a user i<br> +do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to<br> +navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more<br> +attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same<br> +thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,<br> +but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point<br> +and click, validate.<br> +<br> +I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also<br> +two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc<br> +Par� is on) ?<br> +<br> +So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML<br> +and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me<br> +is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, </blockquote><div><br>How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?<br>(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)<br> +�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">some of us<br> +will be on both tools but most will use just one.<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.<br> +<br>I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.<br>These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.<br> +</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<font color="#888888"><br> +--<br> +Olivier M�jean<br> +Pr�sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br> +<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br> +twitter : obagoom<br> +<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> |