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Bulgrien <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kbulgrien at att.net</A>>: +><i> On Sunday, April 08, 2012 06:46:37 am Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>><i> söndagen den 8 april 2012 12.54.04 skrev  Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>><i> > maybe there is a reason to login to a gui as root - although in +</I>>><i> > all my 17 years of Linux I haven't heard one. And I have never heard +</I>>><i> > about any sysadmin who did it with a reason. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Lazyness in my case. Or call it efficiency cause of scarce time. +</I>>><i> I want machines to work for me, do not have all hours to learn everything. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I can not learn everything, even less remember it. +</I>>><i> A GUI session often have lots of useable tools to see what is going on, web +</I>>><i> browser to read documentation of what i am trying to do, can copy to +</I>>><i> virtual terminal, etc. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That is why even my server always runs KDE (but not as root) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Um... when i think about it i have not used GUI as root for a year or so, +</I>>><i> but it was a time saver in the beginning and i might have given up on +</I>>><i> Linux without it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This is the few sysadmin hours of an own smalll company owner and home +</I>>><i> server. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A quick google of "run x as root" shows up good advice that has +</I>><i> existed for a very long time.  One example is: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO/xsecurity.html">http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO/xsecurity.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This kind of laziness is dangerous.  Even the discipline of not being on +</I>><i> the internet at the time is a false fix.  Anything that has security issues +</I>><i> can modify the security of the local network, install malware, or +</I>><i> damage critical files, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A shell in non-root X can easily attain root for GUI applications - not just +</I>><i> CLI instructions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sure, it is less direct to look at the GUI menu to figure out how to invoke +</I>><i> some of the tools, but it can be a one-time effort that has a side effect of +</I>><i> increasing knowledge of the tools one uses to administer a system easily +</I>><i> and safely. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not so much in a different position as you are, and I can probably +</I>><i> count on my hands how many times I ran X as root since Mandriva 7.2, +</I>><i> and I think that was too many. +</I> +Since my first Mandrake in 1998 (even before with SuSE and RedHat and +Debian I did it exactly 1 time - that was after the change to a red +background and it took only a couple of seconds and involved no action +except shutdown, I just wanted to see the red background :) + +Well (not wasting too much time on this), everybody can do what he +wants - if he has the knowledge to change the configuration to be able +to login to KDE or Gnome as root, he should have the knowledge not to +do it. This hurdle which was implemented is a good idea to prevent +less experienced people doing it all the time just because of +laziness. So I'm not too happy about broadcasting how it works. + +OTOH, we are not the security admins of the user's mind. :) + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006942.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006944.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6943">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6943">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6943">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6943">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |