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I am trying to put it on the server at my lab, but +presently have problems with that- do you have a better suggestion ? + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6416">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6416">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6416">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6416">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006417.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006417.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73f10af66 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006417.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%202%20bootstrap%20time%20is%203%20times%20that%20of%0A%09Mageia1&In-Reply-To=%3C4F324FCF.7030907%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006416.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006418.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%202%20bootstrap%20time%20is%203%20times%20that%20of%0A%09Mageia1&In-Reply-To=%3C4F324FCF.7030907%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 11:34:55 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6417">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6417">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6417">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6417">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 08.02.2012 11:29, schrieb Juergen Harms: +><i> On 02/08/2012 07:15 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: +</I>>><i> Please give the output of: +</I>>><i> systemd-analyse plot> systemd-boot-plot.svg +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That gives a message of > 300 kbytes, might be hard on people who have a slow +</I>><i> connection. I am trying to put it on the server at my lab, but presently have +</I>><i> problems with that- do you have a better suggestion ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Upload it to any one-click-hoster or FTP and give a link here? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6417">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6417">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6417">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6417">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006418.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006418.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0d863b830 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006418.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%202%20bootstrap%20time%20is%203%20times%20that%0A%09of%09Mageia1&In-Reply-To=%3C4F32514D.2060708%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006417.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006419.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%202%20bootstrap%20time%20is%203%20times%20that%0A%09of%09Mageia1&In-Reply-To=%3C4F32514D.2060708%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 11:41:17 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6418">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6418">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6418">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6418">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>The reason for my problem was a simple typo - needed our system engineer +to sort that out - this is my sloppy day. You can retrieve the file at + +<A HREF="http://cui.unige.ch/~harms/Download/systemd-boot-plot.svg">http://cui.unige.ch/~harms/Download/systemd-boot-plot.svg</A> + +Looks like substantial time is spent in network configuration: my +controller is an 82566DM-2, I am using the drivers installed at +sysinstall (and sysinstall fails at network initialisation, but the +network comes up at boot time - there exists a bug report on this issue). +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6418">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6418">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6418">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6418">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006419.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006419.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dbd81a062 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006419.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ron. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> PS User has been warned against updating in the future ! +</I>><i> And as he is worried about his system going down when I am not available to +</I>><i> help, I am going to make a new partition, and put in it another install of a +</I>><i> different version of the distribution, just in case. +</I> + +It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +authentication for Mageia Tools. + +Just select root for Update. + +HTH +Claire +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6420">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6420">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6420">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6420">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006421.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006421.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..41df3b984 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006421.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cf5dd19e28ca8fe3b7badf1f63bf52b94.squirrel%40mail.rmail.be%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006450.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006424.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cf5dd19e28ca8fe3b7badf1f63bf52b94.squirrel%40mail.rmail.be%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 12:52:24 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6421">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6421">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6421">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6421">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> On 08/02/12 11:29, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +</I>[...] +><i> It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>><i> authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just select root for Update. +</I>[...] + +I had understood his point as the difference between updates and upgrades. +or am I mistaken? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6421">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6421">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6421">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6421">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006422.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006422.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fc483970b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006422.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202080847.57280.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006420.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006423.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202080847.57280.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 12:47:57 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6422">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6422">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6422">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6422">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +Robinson who wrote: +><i> > I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>><i> > distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>><i> > requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>><i> > Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I> +><i> It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>><i> authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>><i> Just select root for Update. +</I> +Brilliant, thanks. + +But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. + -- Henry Louis Mencken + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6422">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6422">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6422">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6422">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006423.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006423.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..220cea845 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006423.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F3262F6.9030600%40eesti.ee%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006422.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006429.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Sander Lepik</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F3262F6.9030600%40eesti.ee%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">sander.lepik at eesti.ee + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 12:56:38 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6423">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6423">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6423">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6423">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>08.02.2012 13:47, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati kirjutas: +><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>Updates shouldn't break system and so i think they should be enabled for +normal users. Upgrades is something else and should be disabled for +normal users. You can report bug about this problem. + +-- +Sander + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6423">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6423">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6423">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6423">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006424.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006424.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3ffe1ef89 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006424.html @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GSOC%202012&In-Reply-To=%3C1328703841.2207.20.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006421.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006427.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GSOC%202012&In-Reply-To=%3C1328703841.2207.20.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 13:24:01 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6424">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6424">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6424">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6424">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +Google announced during FOSDEM that the summer of code program 2012 have +been launched officially : +<A HREF="http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/google-summer-of-code-2012-is-on.html">http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/google-summer-of-code-2012-is-on.html</A> + +( for people who never have heard of, just follow the links and then ask +questions here ) + +I have opened a page on our wiki so we can try to apply to the program +this year : +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/SummerOfCode2012">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/SummerOfCode2012</A> + +There is the application proposal, as long as answers for the questions +( found in the FAQ ) + +I also put 2 draft proposals, that I found after taking a shower, but do +not hesitate to place more. Please also follow the format I used, since +it should explain to student what they need, what they learn, and who to +contact. Feel free to add almost complete proposal, but do not try to +add too much. To cope with possible problem, please find a backup mentor + +The deadline is rather tight, so do not lose much time. I propose to +review the various proposals in 2 weeks, and keep those that follow +simple criterias : +- have a committed member of the community as mentor +- take only a limited number of proposal per mentor ( to avoid him being +overloded ), I guess 2 or 3 would be enough +- have a backup ( no backup, no proposal, no exception ) +- have realistic and interesting project for a student in a 2 months +time frame. + +Keep in mind that the deadline will be around the release of Mageia 2, +so this may affect availability of mentors. + +What to do : +- complete the page started on the wiki. There is still various TODO to +put what is still needed to be fixed. +- add links to various sources of information, be it others +organisations applying, or summary of do and don't, etc. +- review +<A HREF="http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/org_admin_agreement">http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/org_admin_agreement</A> +and see if we can accept that +- find a backup for the administration of the program. Also, if someone +is volunteer to be the main admin, I would be relived to not be that +one ( even if, as the one proposing that we participate, I am the de +facto volunteer for that position ) +- clean the proposal page from drafts before applying +- apply + +I guess we could use a blog post for that, but we have first to speak of +fosdem, of the sysadmin trip to datacenter, etc. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6424">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6424">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6424">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6424">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006425.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006425.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d1db73e4b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006425.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1328704501.2207.29.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006454.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006426.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1328704501.2207.29.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 13:35:01 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6425">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6425">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6425">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6425">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a +écrit : +><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +</I>><i> Robinson who wrote: +</I>><i> > > I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>><i> > > distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>><i> > > requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>><i> > > Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>><i> > authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>><i> > Just select root for Update. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I> +That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. + +However, if the user cannot do upgrade without asking to someone else +( because that's the whole point of having 2 different passwords, else, +that's just a nuisance that will confuse most people ), then he will +likely miss security and bugfixes updates, and that's problematic. + +And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone +else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to +upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the +computer. + +The risk is the lack of QA, and I have been repeating this since a long +time. If people cannot trust updates, they will use them, and they face +issues and security problems, and that will tarnish our reputation, +among others. +-- +Michael Scherer + + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6425">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6425">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6425">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6425">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006426.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006426.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..00947624d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006426.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F326EED.5020604%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006425.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006434.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F326EED.5020604%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 13:47:41 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6426">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6426">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6426">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6426">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 08/02/12 12:35, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a +</I>><i> écrit : +</I>>><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +</I>>><i> Robinson who wrote: +</I>>>>><i> I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>>>>><i> distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>>>>><i> requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>>>>><i> Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>>>><i> authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>>>><i> Just select root for Update. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>><i> Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, if the user cannot do upgrade without asking to someone else +</I>><i> ( because that's the whole point of having 2 different passwords, else, +</I>><i> that's just a nuisance that will confuse most people ), then he will +</I>><i> likely miss security and bugfixes updates, and that's problematic. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone +</I>><i> else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to +</I>><i> upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the +</I>><i> computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The risk is the lack of QA, and I have been repeating this since a long +</I>><i> time. If people cannot trust updates, they will use them, and they face +</I>><i> issues and security problems, and that will tarnish our reputation, +</I>><i> among others. +</I> + +I don't think QA is an issue regarding updates to 1. Do you really feel +that way or were you meaning in a more general way? + +Ensuring an upgrade path from Mandriva 2010.2 is really something we (QA +team) would expect maintainers to maintain. + + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6426">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6426">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6426">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6426">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006427.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006427.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3adc3a1ff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006427.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20First%20Mageia%20Artwork%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3CCACYHsMyFkLND3eK%3DuWt3zyr3f012W7wrTCfNx1CSzqWsiWvqig%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006424.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006452.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest</H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20First%20Mageia%20Artwork%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3CCACYHsMyFkLND3eK%3DuWt3zyr3f012W7wrTCfNx1CSzqWsiWvqig%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest">ennael at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 13:49:12 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6427">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6427">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6427">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6427">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi there + +As planned on last atwork meeting, Mageia artwork contest has been +launched this morning. + +All details here: <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/02/08/mageia-2-artwork-contest/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/02/08/mageia-2-artwork-contest/</A> + +May the best man win! + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6427">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6427">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6427">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6427">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006428.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006428.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a5bd2ff39 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006428.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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+</I>>>>><i> Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>>>><i> It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>>>><i> authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>>>><i> Just select root for Update. +</I>>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>><i> Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, if the user cannot do upgrade without asking to someone else +</I>><i> ( because that's the whole point of having 2 different passwords, else, +</I>><i> that's just a nuisance that will confuse most people ), then he will +</I>><i> likely miss security and bugfixes updates, and that's problematic. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone +</I>><i> else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to +</I>><i> upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the +</I>><i> computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The risk is the lack of QA, and I have been repeating this since a long +</I>><i> time. If people cannot trust updates, they will use them, and they face +</I>><i> issues and security problems, and that will tarnish our reputation, +</I>><i> among others. +</I>Well, you also miss the point if the cause for this breakage (maybe some packages +that are currently missing/only available in an older version compared to Mandriva) +is not reported, we can't really fix it, no? + +So just telling: "An upgrade from Mandriva broke my machine" will do no good at +all, +IMHO. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007766.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6428">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6428">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6428">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6428">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006429.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006429.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2851dbf7b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006429.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4jjNFRRWsM5MVVh84FM_H5Ea2-UG22SCOjUbSKYbAk%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006423.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006451.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4jjNFRRWsM5MVVh84FM_H5Ea2-UG22SCOjUbSKYbAk%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 13:51:27 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6429">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6429">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6429">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6429">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/2/8 Sander Lepik <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>>: +><i> 08.02.2012 13:47, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati kirjutas: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Updates shouldn't break system and so i think they should be enabled for +</I>><i> normal users. Upgrades is something else and should be disabled for normal +</I>><i> users. You can report bug about this problem. +</I> +Last November I setup my normal Mageia system to auto-boot into xguest +so visitors at the Mageia stand at an exhibition can try out Mageia. I +was surpised and shocked when I watched the update icon light up and +the visitor could perform this update as xguest! This IS a risk no +matter whether an update breaks a system or not. After I saw this the +first thing I did was su into root and change the permission setting +for updates. + +This is one thing where security was broken for ease of use. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6429">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6429">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6429">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6429">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006430.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006430.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0dc40e004 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006430.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj674gdUaQavQ8i5GQiWP0LcGjuf%3DdEnxDNonhD5icpj0A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="007766.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006432.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj674gdUaQavQ8i5GQiWP0LcGjuf%3DdEnxDNonhD5icpj0A%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 14:02:32 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007766.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6430">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6430">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6430">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6430">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/2/8 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a +</I>><i> écrit : +</I>>><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +</I>>><i> Robinson who wrote: +</I>>><i> > > I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>>><i> > > distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>>><i> > > requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>>><i> > > Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>>><i> > authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>>><i> > Just select root for Update. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>><i> Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I> +No. What you are pointing at (the breakage of the system) is a matter +to be looked at. + +But the point you are missing is the security breakage. If a user +does not have the root password then there is a reason for that and he +is probably working in an environment where only dedicated people have +the permission to do system management and it is their task to do +updates. A private user who is on his own usually has the root +password. So your point of missing security updates because of 2 +passwords is not valid. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007766.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6430">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6430">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6430">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6430">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006431.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006431.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c05339e84 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006431.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202081116.03041.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="007767.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006433.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202081116.03041.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 15:16:02 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6431">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6431">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6431">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6431">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 09:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Michael +Scherer who wrote: + +><i> And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone +</I>><i> else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to +</I>><i> upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the +</I>><i> computer. +</I> +It would have avoided the issue of the computer going down when I was not +available for support. + +I would have done the update, hosed the system, and been on the spot to re- +install immediately, leaving him with a functional system instead of his being +without computer until I returned.. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Homines dum docent discunt. + -- Seneca + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6431">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6431">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6431">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6431">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006432.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006432.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..331c04dc6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006432.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1328711248.2207.43.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006430.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006438.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1328711248.2207.43.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 15:27:28 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6432">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6432">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6432">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6432">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 14:02 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2012/2/8 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a +</I>><i> > écrit : +</I>><i> >> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +</I>><i> >> Robinson who wrote: +</I>><i> >> > > I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>><i> >> > > distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>><i> >> > > requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>><i> >> > > Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> > It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>><i> >> > authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>><i> >> > Just select root for Update. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>><i> > Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No. What you are pointing at (the breakage of the system) is a matter +</I>><i> to be looked at. +</I> +In fact, the breakage is not our call, since this is on Mandriva. + +Read again : "I just had a call for help from a friend who used the +Sytem Update applet to update his Mandriva 2010.2 install and ended up +with an un-usable machine, KDE +crashing when opening a session." + +So basically, a mandriva update applied on a mandriva system did go +wrong, without explaining why or what caused issues ( could have been +various stuff, from bad packages or updates breakage, and given the lack +of evidence and information, we cannot conclude much, except this is not +our problem at all since this is on Mandriva ). + +><i> But the point you are missing is the security breakage. If a user +</I>><i> does not have the root password then there is a reason for that and he +</I>><i> is probably working in an environment where only dedicated people have +</I>><i> the permission to do system management and it is their task to do +</I>><i> updates. +</I> +Then in such environment, the sysadmin will set it so only him can do +update. If there is a admin, we should assume that he know what to do, +and restrict it accordingly, using the tools as explained by Claire. + +><i> A private user who is on his own usually has the root +</I>><i> password. So your point of missing security updates because of 2 +</I>><i> passwords is not valid. +</I> +What part of "having to keep 2 password is more complex than having one" +is wrong ? I have seen lots of people even asking to remove all +passwords since they do not care, so having 2 just worst. + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6432">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6432">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6432">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6432">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006433.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006433.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74c5130a4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006433.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHDxzRcvG5fbSuqsWnZ9BXoOUai%2B1mN%3D30z8vjpoWdk%3DQY8Ozg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006431.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006436.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Alejandro López</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHDxzRcvG5fbSuqsWnZ9BXoOUai%2B1mN%3D30z8vjpoWdk%3DQY8Ozg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">listas.apl at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 15:30:21 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6433">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6433">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6433">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6433">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati < +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 09:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from +</I>><i> Michael +</I>><i> Scherer who wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone +</I>><i> > else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to +</I>><i> > upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the +</I>><i> > computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It would have avoided the issue of the computer going down when I was not +</I>><i> available for support. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would have done the update, hosed the system, and been on the spot to re- +</I>><i> install immediately, leaving him with a functional system instead of his +</I>><i> being +</I>><i> without computer until I returned.. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess that Mageia's default configuration was conceived for people +</I>managing themselves their systems. If there is a different person +administering the system, then it's this person's responsibility to change +the default behavior to prevent a normal user from updating the system. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120208/ead267fd/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6433">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6433">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6433">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6433">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006434.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006434.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a1d3934e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006434.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1328711516.2207.47.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006426.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006435.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1328711516.2207.47.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 15:31:56 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6434">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6434">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6434">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6434">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 12:47 +0000, Claire Robinson a écrit : +><i> On 08/02/12 12:35, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I> +><i> I don't think QA is an issue regarding updates to 1. Do you really feel +</I>><i> that way or were you meaning in a more general way? +</I> +The upgrade problem was on mandriva 2010.2, why relate this to mageia +1 ? + +And yes, i speak on a general note, the problem with letting people do +updates is when updates are bad and faulty, and that's something that +would have been caused either by lack of QA ( from distributor side ), +or by a user doing what we said to not do, like mixing packages, etc +( for example, using MIB backports ) + +><i> Ensuring an upgrade path from Mandriva 2010.2 is really something we (QA +</I>><i> team) would expect maintainers to maintain. +</I> +Sure, can you tell where it was broken ? + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6434">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6434">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6434">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6434">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006435.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006435.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..16f74d3b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006435.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202081536.29830.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006434.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006428.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202081536.29830.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 15:36:26 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6435">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6435">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6435">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6435">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 08 February 2012 15:31, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> The upgrade problem was on mandriva 2010.2, why relate this to mageia +</I>><i> 1 ? +</I> +Possibly because mga1 is a rebranded 2010.2 with some MGA specific changes, and likely will have the same problems? + +-- +Johnny A. 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You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>><i> > > authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>><i> > > Just select root for Update. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Brilliant, thanks. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>><i> Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, if the user cannot do upgrade without asking to someone else +</I>><i> ( because that's the whole point of having 2 different passwords, else, +</I>><i> that's just a nuisance that will confuse most people ), then he will +</I>><i> likely miss security and bugfixes updates, and that's problematic. +</I> +It's not clear if we are talking about installing updates only, or +upgrading to a new version of the distribution. Installing updates is +supposed to be safe and can be allowed by default with user password. +But upgrading to a new distribution is more dangerous and should +probably only be allowed with root password. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6436">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6436">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6436">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6436">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006437.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006437.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a93f293c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006437.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F3290B7.9080007%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006436.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006441.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F3290B7.9080007%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 16:11:51 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6437">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6437">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6437">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6437">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 08/02/12 14:57, nicolas vigier wrote: +><i> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a +</I>>><i> écrit : +</I>>>><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +</I>>>><i> Robinson who wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>>>>>><i> distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>>>>>><i> requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>>>>>><i> Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>>>>><i> authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>>>>><i> Just select root for Update. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>>><i> Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> However, if the user cannot do upgrade without asking to someone else +</I>>><i> ( because that's the whole point of having 2 different passwords, else, +</I>>><i> that's just a nuisance that will confuse most people ), then he will +</I>>><i> likely miss security and bugfixes updates, and that's problematic. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's not clear if we are talking about installing updates only, or +</I>><i> upgrading to a new version of the distribution. Installing updates is +</I>><i> supposed to be safe and can be allowed by default with user password. +</I>><i> But upgrading to a new distribution is more dangerous and should +</I>><i> probably only be allowed with root password. +</I>><i> +</I> +It should probably be some comfort that we do actually have a root account. +If this were Ubuntu then it would require a bit more effort to lock down +than a choice in MCC :) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6437">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6437">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6437">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6437">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006438.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006438.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd2e9839d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006438.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7Ns-tAHPmxQKcJm53h2%2Bipp-pGWG4hOqocJwjcwf09hw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006432.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006440.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7Ns-tAHPmxQKcJm53h2%2Bipp-pGWG4hOqocJwjcwf09hw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 16:13:57 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6438">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6438">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6438">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6438">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/2/8 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 14:02 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> 2012/2/8 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> > Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a +</I>>><i> > écrit : +</I>>><i> >> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire +</I>>><i> >> Robinson who wrote: +</I>>><i> >> > > I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the +</I>>><i> >> > > distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it +</I>>><i> >> > > requires the root password to install a prog ? +</I>>><i> >> > > Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates? +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> > It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>>><i> >> > authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>>><i> >> > Just select root for Update. +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>>><i> > Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No. What you are pointing at (the breakage of the system) is a matter +</I>>><i> to be looked at. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In fact, the breakage is not our call, since this is on Mandriva. +</I> +May be, may be not - depends on the reasons why this upgrade went bad. +Pls remove the blinds. + +>><i> But the point you are missing is the security breakage.  If a user +</I>>><i> does not have the root password then there is a reason for that and he +</I>>><i> is probably working in an environment where only dedicated people have +</I>>><i> the permission to do system management and it is their task to do +</I>>><i> updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then in such environment, the sysadmin will set it so only him can do +</I>><i> update. If there is a admin, we should assume that he know what to do, +</I>><i> and restrict it accordingly, using the tools as explained by Claire. +</I> +No, it has been different for years and everybody was happy with the +setup except those who are too lazy using passwords at all. + +>><i> A private user who is on his own usually has the root +</I>>><i> password. So your point of missing security updates because of 2 +</I>>><i> passwords is not valid. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What part of "having to keep 2 password is more complex than having one" +</I>><i> is wrong ? I have seen lots of people even asking to remove all +</I>><i> passwords since they do not care, so having 2 just worst. +</I> +Yes, I have seen postings like "why do I have to use passwords" and +"why can I not log in KDE as root" more than once. Are these people +our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you +of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real +reason. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6438">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6438">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6438">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6438">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006439.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006439.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7d5930d10 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006439.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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Are these people +</I>><i> our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you +</I>><i> of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real +</I>><i> reason. +</I> +I do not want to have to give the root password to members of my family that +are, frankly, clueless on tech-matters. At the same time, I do want them to +apply at least security updates. Being able to accept updates from a trusted +source (direct from Mageia) with only their user password is the safest their +systems can have. + +Anne +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6440">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6440">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6440">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6440">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006441.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006441.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..64648993c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006441.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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At the same time, I do want +</I>><i> them to apply at least security updates. Being able to accept updates +</I>><i> from a trusted source (direct from Mageia) with only their user password +</I>><i> is the safest their systems can have. +</I> +So which is the lesser of the two evils: hosing the system with an update, or +not applying the update as soon as it becomes available ? + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + A government which robs Peter to pay Paul + can always depend on the support of Paul. + --George Bernard Shaw + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6442">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6442">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6442">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6442">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006443.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006443.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..106fc8827 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006443.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5uGujRm7SroBMUt0khvBNC5RL-zHCShs0jc3j-tybtnw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006448.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006444.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5uGujRm7SroBMUt0khvBNC5RL-zHCShs0jc3j-tybtnw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 17:01:09 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6443">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6443">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6443">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6443">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/2/8 Anne Wilson <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>>: +><i> On Wednesday 08 February 2012 15:13:57 Anne Wilson wrote: +</I>>><i> Yes, I have seen postings like "why do I have to use passwords" and +</I>>><i> "why can I not log in KDE as root" more than once. Are these people +</I>>><i> our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you +</I>>><i> of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real +</I>>><i> reason. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not want to have to give the root password to members of my family that +</I>><i> are, frankly, clueless on tech-matters.  At the same time, I do want them to +</I>><i> apply at least security updates.  Being able to accept updates from a trusted +</I>><i> source (direct from Mageia) with only their user password is the safest their +</I>><i> systems can have. +</I> +I understand the reasons. But you know as well as everybody else that +sometimes updates do not work as easy as they should. It could be +caused by a faulty mirror or by a glitch in a package (which should +not happen but "should not happen" implies "can happen") or whatever +other reason. Then your family members will wait for you anyway (in +the best case) without knowing what happened - while they could have +been happily working or entertaining themselves until you come and do +the updates. + +Apart from the understandable quest to make it easy on the unwashed +masses - it is still a security break - see what I have written about +the ability of xguest to do updates (while xguest was invented to +leave the system without garbage or damage at the end of his/her +session). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6443">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6443">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6443">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6443">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006444.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006444.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd56cd18e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006444.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJyy6UQmzD8qJdpChgyKpxHxkAHt5-TMzQ8h3rUf-PgdV0bnRg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006443.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006445.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Diego Bello</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJyy6UQmzD8qJdpChgyKpxHxkAHt5-TMzQ8h3rUf-PgdV0bnRg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">dbello at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 17:31:37 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6444">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6444">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6444">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6444">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Wolfgang Bornath +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2012/2/8 Anne Wilson <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> On Wednesday 08 February 2012 15:13:57 Anne Wilson wrote: +</I>>>><i> Yes, I have seen postings like "why do I have to use passwords" and +</I>>>><i> "why can I not log in KDE as root" more than once. Are these people +</I>>>><i> our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you +</I>>>><i> of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real +</I>>>><i> reason. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I do not want to have to give the root password to members of my family that +</I>>><i> are, frankly, clueless on tech-matters.  At the same time, I do want them to +</I>>><i> apply at least security updates.  Being able to accept updates from a trusted +</I>>><i> source (direct from Mageia) with only their user password is the safest their +</I>>><i> systems can have. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I understand the reasons. But you know as well as everybody else that +</I>><i> sometimes updates do not work as easy as they should. It could be +</I>><i> caused by a faulty mirror or by a glitch in a package (which should +</I>><i> not happen but "should not happen" implies "can happen") or whatever +</I>><i> other reason. Then your family members will wait for you anyway (in +</I>><i> the best case) without knowing what happened - while they could have +</I>><i> been happily working or entertaining themselves until you come and do +</I>><i> the updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Apart from the understandable quest to make it easy on the unwashed +</I>><i> masses - it is still a security break - see what I have written about +</I>><i> the ability of xguest to do updates (while xguest was invented to +</I>><i> leave the system without garbage or damage at the end of his/her +</I>><i> session). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I> +A bad update will break your system no matter if you are root or not. +I think normal users should be able to install updates unless you say +so in the MCC, but I agree that the xguest user should not be able to +do so. That, imho, is a bug and should be solved. + +-- +Diego Bello Carreño +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6444">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6444">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6444">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6444">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006445.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006445.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..756f3a90a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006445.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6zJ5jax438NJvj_1k5HDdTpX48z7pv91qxiiQOjTALAA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006444.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006446.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6zJ5jax438NJvj_1k5HDdTpX48z7pv91qxiiQOjTALAA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 17:39:52 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6445">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6445">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6445">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6445">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/2/8 Diego Bello <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dbello at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Wolfgang Bornath +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> 2012/2/8 Anne Wilson <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>>: +</I>>>><i> On Wednesday 08 February 2012 15:13:57 Anne Wilson wrote: +</I>>>>><i> Yes, I have seen postings like "why do I have to use passwords" and +</I>>>>><i> "why can I not log in KDE as root" more than once. Are these people +</I>>>>><i> our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you +</I>>>>><i> of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real +</I>>>>><i> reason. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I do not want to have to give the root password to members of my family that +</I>>>><i> are, frankly, clueless on tech-matters.  At the same time, I do want them to +</I>>>><i> apply at least security updates.  Being able to accept updates from a trusted +</I>>>><i> source (direct from Mageia) with only their user password is the safest their +</I>>>><i> systems can have. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I understand the reasons. But you know as well as everybody else that +</I>>><i> sometimes updates do not work as easy as they should. It could be +</I>>><i> caused by a faulty mirror or by a glitch in a package (which should +</I>>><i> not happen but "should not happen" implies "can happen") or whatever +</I>>><i> other reason. Then your family members will wait for you anyway (in +</I>>><i> the best case) without knowing what happened - while they could have +</I>>><i> been happily working or entertaining themselves until you come and do +</I>>><i> the updates. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Apart from the understandable quest to make it easy on the unwashed +</I>>><i> masses - it is still a security break - see what I have written about +</I>>><i> the ability of xguest to do updates (while xguest was invented to +</I>>><i> leave the system without garbage or damage at the end of his/her +</I>>><i> session). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A bad update will break your system no matter if you are root or not. +</I> +That's actually a point in favor of the need for the root password - +if the system breaks: the user can not do anything at all - instead he +will have to go for a walk until root comes to fix the problem. So why +do you insist on letting poor user take that risk by default? + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6445">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6445">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6445">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6445">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006446.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006446.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a3e6146b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006446.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJyy6UTzVGkkJU-74o_fogfKTRPEsUsvgM24h-Wen5JO_DfoeA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006445.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="007767.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Diego Bello</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJyy6UTzVGkkJU-74o_fogfKTRPEsUsvgM24h-Wen5JO_DfoeA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">dbello at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 19:08:55 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6446">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6446">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6446">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6446">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Bornath +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2012/2/8 Diego Bello <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dbello at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Wolfgang Bornath +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> 2012/2/8 Anne Wilson <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> On Wednesday 08 February 2012 15:13:57 Anne Wilson wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> Yes, I have seen postings like "why do I have to use passwords" and +</I>>>>>><i> "why can I not log in KDE as root" more than once. Are these people +</I>>>>>><i> our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you +</I>>>>>><i> of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real +</I>>>>>><i> reason. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I do not want to have to give the root password to members of my family that +</I>>>>><i> are, frankly, clueless on tech-matters.  At the same time, I do want them to +</I>>>>><i> apply at least security updates.  Being able to accept updates from a trusted +</I>>>>><i> source (direct from Mageia) with only their user password is the safest their +</I>>>>><i> systems can have. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I understand the reasons. But you know as well as everybody else that +</I>>>><i> sometimes updates do not work as easy as they should. It could be +</I>>>><i> caused by a faulty mirror or by a glitch in a package (which should +</I>>>><i> not happen but "should not happen" implies "can happen") or whatever +</I>>>><i> other reason. Then your family members will wait for you anyway (in +</I>>>><i> the best case) without knowing what happened - while they could have +</I>>>><i> been happily working or entertaining themselves until you come and do +</I>>>><i> the updates. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Apart from the understandable quest to make it easy on the unwashed +</I>>>><i> masses - it is still a security break - see what I have written about +</I>>>><i> the ability of xguest to do updates (while xguest was invented to +</I>>>><i> leave the system without garbage or damage at the end of his/her +</I>>>><i> session). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> -- +</I>>>><i> wobo +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A bad update will break your system no matter if you are root or not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's actually a point in favor of the need for the root password - +</I>><i> if the system breaks: the user can not do anything at all - instead he +</I>><i> will have to go for a walk until root comes to fix the problem. So why +</I>><i> do you insist on letting poor user take that risk by default? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I> +Because a simple update should not break the system. They should work +all the time, just like printers or the Internet connection :p. + +Now, seriously talking, I have installed updates with my user all the +time and never had a problem. This case is an exception and I don't +thing of it as a bug, except for the feature that it can be done by a +guest user. + + + +-- +Diego Bello Carreño +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6446">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6446">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6446">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6446">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006447.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006447.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..05ca2c82e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006447.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120208182358.GN21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006439.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006449.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120208182358.GN21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 19:23:58 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6447">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6447">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6447">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6447">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 08 Feb 2012, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: + +><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 11:57 my mailbox was graced by a message from nicolas +</I>><i> vigier who wrote: +</I>><i> > It's not clear if we are talking about installing updates only, or +</I>><i> > upgrading to a new version of the distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In my case, which started this thread, it was an update that hosed the system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Installing updates is supposed to be safe and can be allowed by default +</I>><i> > with user password. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In this case it caused KDE to crash at start of session. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > But upgrading to a new distribution is more dangerous and should +</I>><i> > probably only be allowed with root password. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Update was bad enough, and should not be allowed to user either ;-3) +</I> +The problem is the bad update, not that it was allowed without root +password. Updates should not hose the system, and that's why there is a +policy on no new versions in update when possible, and qa tests. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6447">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6447">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6447">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6447">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006448.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006448.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f063342d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006448.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F32CB94.3050408%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006442.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006443.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F32CB94.3050408%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 20:23:00 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6448">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6448">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6448">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6448">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 08/02/12 15:40, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +><i> On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 12:20 my mailbox was graced by a message +</I>><i> from Anne Wilson who wrote: +</I>>><i> I do not want to have to give the root password to members of my +</I>>><i> family that are, frankly, clueless on tech-matters. At the +</I>>><i> same time, I do want them to apply at least security updates. +</I>>><i> Being able to accept updates from a trusted source (direct from +</I>>><i> Mageia) with only their user password is the safest their systems +</I>>><i> can have. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So which is the lesser of the two evils: hosing the system with an +</I>><i> update, or not applying the update as soon as it becomes available +</I>><i> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ron. +</I> +In fairness, of the 10+ years I've been running Linux, Mandrake once +killed X on a Friday afternoon, so we had to wait until Monday for the +fix, and my CentOS system was thoroughly hosed, this time not just X +or KDE, but deep down in the system to the point where it couldn't +mount partitions. + +I update my system almost daily, so I estimate I've updated 3500 times +plus a good many more for second boxes/laptops or whatever. What +proportion of failure is that? If you ignore my second system updates, +it says there is a 0.00057142857% chance of my system being hosed. +Since that's an overstatement (second boxes etc.) :-) I think I'll +take that chance. + +Anne + +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Installing updates is +</I>><i> supposed to be safe and can be allowed by default with user password. +</I>><i> But upgrading to a new distribution is more dangerous and should +</I>><i> probably only be allowed with root password. +</I> +i agree... + +also people use update and upgrade, but it does not have the same meaning. + +the things being talked about above are really beyond the point. the sysadmin +in question can set it up for the user however he wants... + +EXCEPT, he can't distinguish between updates and upgrades... or even guest +users having access to updates and upgrades. + +my current proposal is to: + +1. have a separate setting between allowing updates and upgrades. +2. change upgrades to allow root user only +3. disable guest user to have update possibility. + +i think these are sensible defaults... <--- i'm talking about defaults here, +people can still set it up whatever they want. + +and this option allows everyone to be somewhat happy. + +does someone disagree? if so, why? +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6449">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6449">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6449">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6449">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006450.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006450.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fa2013316 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006450.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJyy6UQ_B0hub%3Dg4wMG-CHQ10M4Pig-o%3D7%2B9a5XRa6QXYzCcOA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006449.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006421.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Diego Bello</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJyy6UQ_B0hub%3Dg4wMG-CHQ10M4Pig-o%3D7%2B9a5XRa6QXYzCcOA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">dbello at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 22:15:46 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6450">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6450">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6450">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6450">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">alien at rmail.be</A>> wrote: +><i> Op woensdag 08 februari 2012 15:57:59 schreef nicolas vigier: +</I>>><i> It's not clear if we are talking about installing updates only, or +</I>>><i> upgrading to a new version of the distribution. Installing updates is +</I>>><i> supposed to be safe and can be allowed by default with user password. +</I>>><i> But upgrading to a new distribution is more dangerous and should +</I>>><i> probably only be allowed with root password. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i agree... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> also people use update and upgrade, but it does not have the same meaning. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> the things being talked about above are really beyond the point. the sysadmin +</I>><i> in question can set it up for the user however he wants... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> EXCEPT, he can't distinguish between updates and upgrades... or even guest +</I>><i> users having access to updates and upgrades. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my current proposal is to: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. have a separate setting between allowing updates and upgrades. +</I>><i> 2. change upgrades to allow root user only +</I> + +AFAIK, Mandriva/Mageia do require root password to upgrade the system, +or am I wrong? + + +><i> 3. disable guest user to have update possibility. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i think these are sensible defaults... <--- i'm talking about defaults here, +</I>><i> people can still set it up whatever they want. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and this option allows everyone to be somewhat happy. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> does someone disagree? if so, why? +</I> + + +-- +Diego Bello Carreño +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6450">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6450">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6450">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6450">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006451.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006451.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3271fb305 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006451.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F32F32E.800%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006429.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006454.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F32F32E.800%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 23:11:58 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6451">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6451">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6451">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6451">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2012/2/8 Sander Lepik<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 08.02.2012 13:47, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati kirjutas: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Updates shouldn't break system and so i think they should be enabled for +</I>>><i> normal users. Upgrades is something else and should be disabled for normal +</I>>><i> users. You can report bug about this problem. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Last November I setup my normal Mageia system to auto-boot into xguest +</I>><i> so visitors at the Mageia stand at an exhibition can try out Mageia. I +</I>><i> was surpised and shocked when I watched the update icon light up and +</I>><i> the visitor could perform this update as xguest! This IS a risk no +</I>><i> matter whether an update breaks a system or not. After I saw this the +</I>><i> first thing I did was su into root and change the permission setting +</I>><i> for updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is one thing where security was broken for ease of use. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I would say that a good way to solve that is to not permit updates from +an account that doesn't require a password, such as is the case (usually +if not always) with xguest. + +So defaults being +1) release upgrades requiring root password. +2) package updates requiring user password. +3) if current account requires not password, no update. + +Wouldn't that satisfy security concerns ? + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6451">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6451">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6451">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6451">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006452.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006452.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..25c918bd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006452.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GDM%20not%20upgrading&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGvW9We4PV8vySfEwy9qeapvy7MsiSH93UUH%3DF8b3FimS27jdQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006427.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006453.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading</H1> + <B>Michael Hill</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GDM%20not%20upgrading&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGvW9We4PV8vySfEwy9qeapvy7MsiSH93UUH%3DF8b3FimS27jdQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading">mdhillca at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 23:38:42 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6452">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6452">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6452">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6452">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Just running urpmi --auto-update and the GDM package doesn't want to +satisfy this dependency: + +In order to satisfy the 'lxdm|lxdm|gdm|slim|kdm|slim|kdm' dependency, +one of the following packages is needed: + 1- kdm-4.8.0-1.mga2.x86_64: KDE Desktop Login Manager (to install) + 2- slim-1.3.2-3.mga2.x86_64: Simple login manager (to install) + 3- lxdm-0.4.1-5.mga2.x86_64: GUI login manager for LXDE (to install) +What is your choice? (1-3) + +Is this a temporary condition and I should try again later? + +Thanks, + +Mike +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6452">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6452">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6452">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6452">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006453.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006453.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1315d8640 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006453.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GDM%20not%20upgrading&In-Reply-To=%3C20120208224550.GD23045%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006452.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006455.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GDM%20not%20upgrading&In-Reply-To=%3C20120208224550.GD23045%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 23:45:50 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6453">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6453">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6453">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6453">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 05:38:42PM -0500, Michael Hill wrote: +><i> Is this a temporary condition and I should try again later? +</I> +Yes. + +Upgrade for now with --keep until you have the latest updates. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6453">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6453">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6453">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6453">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006454.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006454.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e69e9e128 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/006454.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Upgrade for now with --keep until you have the latest updates. +</I> +Thanks, + +Mike +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6455">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6455">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6455">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6455">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/007766.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/007766.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..187de6d3c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/007766.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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You can find it under Security => Configure +</I>><i> >>> authentication for Mageia Tools. +</I>><i> >>> Just select root for Update. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Brilliant, thanks. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system. +</I>><i> > Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > However, if the user cannot do upgrade without asking to someone else +</I>><i> > ( because that's the whole point of having 2 different passwords, else, +</I>><i> > that's just a nuisance that will confuse most people ), then he will +</I>><i> > likely miss security and bugfixes updates, and that's problematic. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone +</I>><i> > else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to +</I>><i> > upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the +</I>><i> > computer. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The risk is the lack of QA, and I have been repeating this since a long +</I>><i> > time. If people cannot trust updates, they will use them, and they face +</I>><i> > issues and security problems, and that will tarnish our reputation, +</I>><i> > among others. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, you also miss the point if the cause for this breakage (maybe some +</I>><i> packages that are currently missing/only available in an older version +</I>><i> compared to Mandriva) is not reported, we can't really fix it, no? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So just telling: "An upgrade from Mandriva broke my machine" will do no +</I>><i> good at all, +</I>><i> IMHO. +</I> +Having just lost a week when an update broke my CentOS box, I should point out +that I have no idea what caused the breakage - and when the system is unusable +there are no logs either. I understand your concern, but it may not be +possible for the user to give you that information. + +I agree with Michael Scherer that the security setting is not the issue. Not +only would an admin guy, if one exists, have done the update, but also the +user cannot keep his machine secure without help. I have some very non-techy +users in my family and expect them to accept updates whenever they are offered. +They are told to contact me if they see any messages they don't understand, +but otherwise, carry on, and it works well. + +Anne +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7766">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7766">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7766">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7766">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/007767.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/007767.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..237f10632 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/007767.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202081929.19635.cannewilson%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006446.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006431.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20A%20possible%20risk%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201202081929.19635.cannewilson%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ?">cannewilson at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Feb 8 20:29:39 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7767">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7767">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7767">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7767">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 08 February 2012 16:01:09 Anne Wilson wrote: +><i> Then your family members will wait for you anyway (in +</I>><i> the best case) without knowing what happened - while they could have +</I>><i> been happily working or entertaining themselves until you come and do +</I>><i> the updates. +</I> +Actually, no. Experience tells me that they will do what very many Windows +users do - nothing. I've seen systems that haven't seen an update in years. +I don't want my family running such a system. + +Anne +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7767">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7767">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7767">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7767">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab3e3ed4b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,262 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 8 February 2012 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>8 February 2012 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Feb 8 07:15:49 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 43<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? 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+</A><A NAME="6436"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6447"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 11 17:00:07 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6ce6ce73f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,262 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 8 February 2012 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>8 February 2012 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Feb 8 07:15:49 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 43<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6415"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6416"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6417"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6418"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6419"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6420"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6422"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6421"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6423"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A><A NAME="6424"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6425"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6426"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A><A NAME="6427"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6428"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6429"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6430"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="007766.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="7766"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6431"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6432"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6433"> </A> +<I>Alejandro López +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6434"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6435"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6436"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6437"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6438"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6440"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6439"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6441"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6442"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6443"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6444"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6445"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6446"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6447"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6448"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="7767"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6449"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6450"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6451"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6452"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6453"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6454"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6455"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 11 17:00:07 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6436"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6437"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6438"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6440"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6439"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6441"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6442"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6443"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6444"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6445"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6446"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6447"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6448"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="7767"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6449"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6450"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6451"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6454"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A><A NAME="6427"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6452"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6453"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6455"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A><A NAME="6424"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6418"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6416"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6417"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6415"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 11 17:00:07 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5f2ae2d23 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120208/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,321 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 8 February 2012 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>8 February 2012 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Feb 8 07:15:49 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 43<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01328681749- --> +<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6415"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01328681749-01328696947- --> +<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6416"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01328681749-01328696947-01328697295- --> +<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6417"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01328681749-01328696947-01328697295-01328697677- --> +<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 bootstrap time is 3 times that of Mageia1 +</A><A NAME="6418"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01328700589- --> +<LI><A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6419"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01328700589-01328701046- --> +<LI><A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6420"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677- --> +<LI><A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6422"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328702198- --> +<LI><A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6423"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328702198-01328705487- --> +<LI><A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6429"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328702198-01328705487-01328739118- --> +<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6451"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328702198-01328705487-01328739118-01328741206- --> +<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6454"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501- --> +<LI><A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6425"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328705261- --> +<LI><A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6426"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328705261-01328711516- --> +<LI><A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6434"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328705261-01328711516-01328711786- --> +<LI><A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6435"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328705446- --> +<LI><A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6428"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328705446-01328709087- --> +<LI><A HREF="007766.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="7766"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152- --> +<LI><A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6430"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248- --> +<LI><A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6432"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037- --> +<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6438"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441- --> +<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6440"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328715610- --> +<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6442"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328715610-01328728980- --> +<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6448"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328716869- --> +<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6443"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328716869-01328718697- --> +<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6444"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328716869-01328718697-01328719192- --> +<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6445"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328716869-01328718697-01328719192-01328724535- --> +<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6446"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328706152-01328711248-01328714037-01328714441-01328716869-01328729379- --> +<LI><A HREF="007767.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="7767"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328710562- --> +<LI><A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6431"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328710562-01328711421- --> +<LI><A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6433"> </A> +<I>Alejandro López +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079- --> +<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6436"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079-01328713911- --> +<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6437"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079-01328713911-01328715324- --> +<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6441"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079-01328714815- --> +<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6439"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079-01328714815-01328725438- --> +<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6447"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079-01328734604- --> +<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6449"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01328700589-01328701046-01328701677-01328704501-01328713079-01328734604-01328735746- --> +<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6450"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01328700589-01328701046-01328701944- --> +<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-discuss] A possible risk ? +</A><A NAME="6421"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01328703841- --> +<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-discuss] GSOC 2012 +</A><A NAME="6424"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01328705352- --> +<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-discuss] First Mageia Artwork contest +</A><A NAME="6427"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<!--0 01328740722- --> +<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6452"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01328740722-01328741150- --> +<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6453"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01328740722-01328741150-01328741340- --> +<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-discuss] GDM not upgrading +</A><A NAME="6455"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Feb 8 23:49:00 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 11 17:00:07 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |