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Underneath of it is +completely castrated GNOME 3. Unfortunately even the "Smart-Phone +madness" is only half of the trouble. + +There were a lot of clashes surrounding 2 rivals GUI, GNOME 3 Shell and +Unity. Interestingly enough though nobody ever (AFAIK) mentioned that +whatever GUI would be, either GNOME 3 Shell, or Unity, or even GNOME +"classic", the problem is GNOME 3 itself. + +I do not know what would be its future, but today it looks like it is +deliberately designed as NOT CUSTOMIZABLE DE. It's a nonsense - NOT +CUSTOMIZABLE Linux DE. + +People can agree or disagree on interface, e.g. out of 2 bad things I +personally would prefer Unity. But this would be my personal preference +and it's unproductive to be argued. But lack of customisation is +absolutely unacceptable and crazy idea. + +><i> There are other desktops which use much of the Gnome +</I>><i> infrastructure which will likely continue a more classic presentation. +</I> +I've tried both XFCE and LXDE of different distributions. Out of two XFCE +is definitely more advanced. But even it is quite significant step back +from GNOME 2. + +><i> As well, Mageia has KDE. We intend to keep supporting a wide range of +</I>><i> desktops. +</I> +No offence, but for years I used to say that I never could stand KDE. + +Today I have installed Kubuntu and Mageia and I've learned to appreciate +it. I'm joking on myself saying:"What takes to make hardheaded one to +like KDE?.. GNOME 3." + +><i> BTW, it would be interesting to know what exactly you don't like about +</I>><i> the Mageia Control Centre. The more feedback we have, the more we can +</I>><i> address any perceived weaknesses. In addition to the ideas we already +</I>><i> have, collectively. +</I> +My post already looks like an essay. I'm not sure this is the right place +for an extended feedback. I'll post it here for now. But if you could +suggest a more appropriate place to do it, I would appreciate it. So, +here we go... + +The problem general to Drak Control Center is inconsistency between GUI +interfaces of particular tools. + +Some of them provide OK and/or Cancel buttons, which close a particular +tool and return a user to main Control Center window. IMHO, it is not +very obvious that clicking such a button will bring you back to the main +window. + +Others provide a File->Close option instead. The result of such selection +is not obvious again, and in addition is yet to be discovered. + +Again to return to the main window from other tools the only option +available is to click on Close button at the right top corner of the +window. The last leaves a definite impression of shutting down Control +Center itself. + +Some particular Control Center tools. + +1. A tool called "Vew and search system logs". + +1.1 Please pay attention, it is not called "Search system logs" which in +reality it is, since I've not found any way to view any particular log in +its entirety using this tool. + +1.2. "Content of the file" pan is not resizable. If the findings are +numerous, it's like looking at them through a coin slot and is extremely +inconvenient. + +1.3 There is no way to add any particular log a user would like to see +(OK, "to search" through). Instead a rather limited number of options is +offered. + +IMHO, though it is not the best, the stock KDE log viewer is actually way +better and convenient to use. + +2. I hated these countless piling up dialog boxes in Control Center tools +in general and Mageia Software Management tool specifically. + +2.1 When you click on Update Your System icon 2 dialog boxes pile up on +top of each other both carrying the same message:"Please wait." The only +difference between them is that one disappears way faster then its +companion. + +2.2 Some of the mentioned dialog boxes pop up not taking in account the +location of their respective parent window. Some of them pop up at the +bottom left corner of the desktop though their parent window is placed +anywhere else, e.g. at the Desktop center. Yet others pop up at the top +left corner of their parent window and are so small that their short +title or message cannot be displayed in its entirety. + +A lot of time these dialog boxes repeat the information already provided +by their parent window and/or ask to confirm an action already explicitly +accepted by the user in the parent window. + +E.g. Mageia Control Center shows a number of packages to be updated with +their respective version numbers. As soon as the user clicks Update +button a new dialog box is open (at the bottom left corner of the +desktop, never mind were the parent window is) with the message:"The +following packages are going to be installed. Is it OK to continue?" +and... It lists the same packages the user already accepted to be +installed by clicking Update button. The only new information provided +here is the total size of install. + +After the user clicks OK another dialog box appears showing progress of +each specific file in update. IMHO it would be way nicer to show progress +of each individual update in the parent window itself. + +2.3 The total update progress is not available to the user. Such +information information would be way more valuable than the progress of +each individual file, especially when there is a large number of files to +be updated. + +2.4 Once being notified of updates available, I tried to run urpmi to +update my system from console. After urpmi completed update I almost +immediately get a notification from Software Management tool again. I +opened it and found the same list of files I'd just updated with urpmi. +Out of curiosity I accepted and drak as a "good boy" downloaded once +again the same long list of software and installed them again. + +I admit I am not aware yet of urpmi, rpm and Software Management tool +relationship. I do miss some knowledge here, since I've never used +neither Mandriva nor certainly Mageia before. But I was expecting +something I get used to on deb based systems. On them, if I see a GUI +notification of updates available but choose to open terminal and run +'apt-get upgrade', the notification goes away right after apt-get +completes the update. The same happens if in Fedora I would run 'yum +upgrade' from console, notifications from GUI goes away. + +Boy, I wonder if you or somebody else would read up to the end... :-) + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005773.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is LTS still considered? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5772">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5772">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5772">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5772">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |