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It is *not* so the user has the convenience of not choosing +their language, but because it is difficult to have a "complete" enough system +catering to most use cases in under 700MB that supports all the languages. So +for example, the choice is to drop LibreOffice, or only support a few +languages per ISO. + +If the software for a good default install would fit on + +><i> > How does he/she solve it to install Mageia? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > My idea is that we transform the full-DVD iso to one-language only, but +</I>><i> > more iso's in the end. +</I> +So, it is your opinion that >90% of the users use more than ~ 60% of the +software that will fit on a DVD ISO (without any other languages)? + +Maybe you should start off with your proposal of what these packages are that +are so important to be included on 100 DVD ISOs. + +><i> > +</I>><i> > Like this: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso in a language-dir under +</I>><i> > <A HREF="ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/iso/1/">ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/iso/1/</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The result is that you shrink the DVD much & you can add other stuff that +</I>><i> > doesn't fit in the ordinary DVD's for some reason.......perhaps add more +</I>><i> > drivers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, but you will get an iso with unnessecary drivers. And unnessecary +</I>><i> applications. Maybe we can make ISOs with only one language, one driver +</I>><i> and one application ? +</I> +It starts to sound like it should just be a custom live image made with +draklive ... + +Why stop there? What about variations for authentication libraries (e.g., some +people may not want *any* LDAP in their system)? In this case, we may want to +have versions of the packages built without LDAP support. Same for PAM (like +Slackware). Same for databases. Maybe one without any php? One for python- +haters (let's hope they don't have HP printers)? + +Maybe a Gentoo-based system that compiles the whole distro with the selected +features and genearates an ISO. But, then, why generate the ISO, updates would +have to be customised anyway. + +It seems you have come up with a solution to a problem that either does not +exist, or that you have not been able to communicate, with significant costs +on *everyone* involved in the distribution, with no motivated benefits. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005299.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'd like to start to discuss the possibility of having one language per iso when it comes to full DVD-versions, similar to the Live-versions. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005307.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'd like to start to discuss the possibility of having one language per iso when it comes to full DVD-versions, similar to the Live-versions. +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5302">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5302">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5302">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5302">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |