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+ <B>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be too late
+for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is feasible, it's okay
+for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+
+draknetcenter (and net_applet) is actually good enough for my desktop PC.
+However for my laptop, I have different network settings for two network
+interfaces in the office. NetworkManager can setup different profiles for
+each interface, and therefore in my laptop I disabled net_applet and use
+NetworkManager instead. But it is really not stable, especially under KDE.
+Last week my NetworkManager failed to connect any wifi AP. So I have to go
+back to use draknetcenter.
+
+What do you think about this? I've added an entry in the ideas page of the
+wiki too.
+
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 17 juli 2011 16:55:07 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Op zondag 17 juli 2011 11:44:16 schreef Marek Laane:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/17 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 2011/7/17 Louie Pham &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">luanlx.louie at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; How do you backup kmail data like e-mail and setting?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; KMail saves its mails and settings in ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/ and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; .kde4/share/config/kmailrc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Saving those should do the trick...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; New KMail (KMail2) should have some archiving options, though I've not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tried it myself, just know because I've translated strings indicating to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the possibility.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; does it have some nice blocking options?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I'd like to block complete threads that are started by a specific person
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; on the -dev ML
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; also if he would reply to a thread, all threading further down that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; chain...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, it's OT but what would you gain by that? You would not have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> read the mails of this specific person, fine, but you will also miss
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all other mails by all other people participating in such threads. And
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what makes you believe that neither this spcific person nor all others
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will not say anything of interest for you in such threads?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In an environment like this here - especially the -dev list - I regard
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this way as counter-productive for yourself but also for all others,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to say the least.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> from what i saw, this particular thread (but actually this also happened with
+</I>&gt;<i> previous threads started by that same person), it seems every post is an
+</I>&gt;<i> incitement for a flamefest. I do have only limited time, and if all that time
+</I>&gt;<i> is being spent in reading emails...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now i easily can and _have_ ignored this thread (mark thread as read); i admit
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm not really planning on doing this kind of blocking atm, and i do think
+</I>&gt;<i> that given a few more new threads by this person and the problem will have
+</I>&gt;<i> sorted itself (ie: no more people replying to it), and i also admit that my
+</I>&gt;<i> frustration got the better of me, and looking at this email the opportunity
+</I>&gt;<i> presented itself for a kind of a &quot;statement-ish statement&quot; which is completely
+</I>&gt;<i> OT.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As such, i would like to ask anyone here to refrain from commenting on this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread, as it appears thinking back on this that i'm no better with regards to
+</I>&gt;<i> trolling than the person of whom i'm sure you know who i meant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry.
+</I>
+Well, if I had read that thread in an earlier stage than I actually
+did I may have written some unnecessary words as well.
+Done.
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>&#22312; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:21:26 +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be
+</I>&gt;<i> too late
+</I>&gt;<i> for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is feasible, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> okay
+</I>&gt;<i> for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> draknetcenter (and net_applet) is actually good enough for my desktop PC.
+</I>&gt;<i> However for my laptop, I have different network settings for two network
+</I>&gt;<i> interfaces in the office. NetworkManager can setup different profiles
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> each interface, and therefore in my laptop I disabled net_applet and use
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager instead. But it is really not stable, especially under
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i> Last week my NetworkManager failed to connect any wifi AP. So I have to
+</I>&gt;<i> go
+</I>&gt;<i> back to use draknetcenter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about this? I've added an entry in the ideas page of
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There's already net_profile exists, isn't it?
+
+You can set it up in MCC, but my experience with it is very clumsy....
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be too
+</I>&gt;<i> late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is feasible,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+</I>Did you try already netprofile ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> draknetcenter (and net_applet) is actually good enough for my desktop PC.
+</I>&gt;<i> However for my laptop, I have different network settings for two network
+</I>&gt;<i> interfaces in the office. NetworkManager can setup different profiles for
+</I>&gt;<i> each interface, and therefore in my laptop I disabled net_applet and use
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager instead. But it is really not stable, especially under KDE.
+</I>Using plasma-applet-networkmanagement ?
+Did you (or Could you) eventually try with the nm-applet ?
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+
+&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is feasible,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you try already netprofile ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, no. I'll try, and what I'm thinking about is to integrate it into
+draknetcenter.
+Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I> &gt; draknetcenter (and net_applet) is actually good enough for my desktop PC.
+&gt;<i> &gt; However for my laptop, I have different network settings for two network
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interfaces in the office. NetworkManager can setup different profiles
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each interface, and therefore in my laptop I disabled net_applet and use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NetworkManager instead. But it is really not stable, especially under
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i> Using plasma-applet-networkmanagement ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you (or Could you) eventually try with the nm-applet ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, using plasma-applet-networkmanagement.
+
+I can't launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. It always launched plasma
+applet instead.
+
+I once tried it in Kubuntu 10.04 and I could use Gnome nm-applet. However
+in Kubuntu 11.04 and Mageia 1 it failed to start Gnome mode under KDE.
+
+
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/7/18 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is feasible,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it's okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did you try already netprofile ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, no. I'll try, and what I'm thinking about is to integrate it into
+</I>&gt;<i> draknetcenter.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.
+
+
+&gt;<i> I can't launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. It always launched plasma
+</I>&gt;<i> applet instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+urpme plasma-applet-networkmanagement &amp;&amp; urpmi networkmanager-applet will
+make it work. They are mutually exclusive under kde desktop :(.
+
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+
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/18 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feasible,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it's okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you try already netprofile ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, no. I'll try, and what I'm thinking about is to integrate it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> draknetcenter.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Is it? I didn't see any configurations to setup profiles in draknetcenter.
+Can you please tell me where?
+
+If this feature is already there, sorry for disturbing you.
+
+
+&gt;<i> I can't launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. It always launched
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plasma applet instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpme plasma-applet-networkmanagement &amp;&amp; urpmi networkmanager-applet will
+</I>&gt;<i> make it work. They are mutually exclusive under kde desktop :(.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Uh... I couldn't be 100% sure since it was a bit long before, but as far as
+I remember I tried to install networkmanager-applet and it didn't work
+either. It seemed to install plasma applets too (in Kubuntu?).
+
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+
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/18 Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/18 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. It may be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. If it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feasible,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it's okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you try already netprofile ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, no. I'll try, and what I'm thinking about is to integrate it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> draknetcenter.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it? I didn't see any configurations to setup profiles in draknetcenter.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you please tell me where?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+In MCC -&gt; Network &amp; Internet -&gt; Personalize and Secure your network -&gt;
+Manage different network profiles. Or right-click on net_applet in tray.
+
+Does it makes sense adding it into draknetcenter as well? I think its
+interface is too crowded already, and back in 2009 we thought with ennael
+and blino about it, and such addition would make it even more polluted from
+the UI point of view.
+
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+<PRE>&#22312; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:10:11 +0800, Eugeni Dodonov
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> In MCC -&gt; Network &amp; Internet -&gt; Personalize and Secure your network -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Manage different network profiles. Or right-click on net_applet in tray.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it makes sense adding it into draknetcenter as well? I think its
+</I>&gt;<i> interface is too crowded already, and back in 2009 we thought with ennael
+</I>&gt;<i> and blino about it, and such addition would make it even more polluted
+</I>&gt;<i> from
+</I>&gt;<i> the UI point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nope, I think adding the functionality into draknetcenter is better....
+
+Putting it there is quite confusing...
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+<PRE>On 17 July 2011 14:57, TJ &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andrewsfarm at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 07/17/2011 07:58 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:00:03 PM <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:45:43 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From: Maurice Batey&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; choice?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Message-ID:&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pan.2011.07.15.17.45.42.391789 at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-jp
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Having installed Mageia-1 (from DVD), I find it has installed the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server kernels, rather than the desktop kernels.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably that's because my PC has 4GB RAM, but - on this 1-user system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - I would have preferred the desktop kernels to be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did I miss an installation option, to choose server v. desktop?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If not, could the installer be given such an option - perhaps in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some 'Advanced' tab?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would avoid having to swap kernels with:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; urpmi kernel-desktop-latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; urpmi kernel-desktop-devel-latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; urpmi nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (assuming that will do the trick here).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /\/\aurice
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; (Retired in Surrey, UK) &#160; &#160; Registered Linux User #487649
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I raised this one on the Mandriva list. &#160;I was told that it was because I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> had
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a 32-bit version installed on a 64-bit capable machine. &#160;Sure enough, when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed the 64-bit version, I got the desktop kernel by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that explains it. Mandriva has been insisting on installing the server
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel since I bought this Sempron 3100+ cpu/motherboard combo from a
+</I>&gt;<i> recycler on Ebay a couple of years ago, even though the motherboard supports
+</I>&gt;<i> a maximum of 2GB of DDR RAM. (I chose it because I needed a new mobo, was,
+</I>&gt;<i> as always, strapped for cash, and wanted to use my existing RAM modules.)
+</I>&gt;<i> With Mandriva, I switched to the desktop kernel manually, but with Mageia I
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to stick with the server kernel just to see how it worked out.
+</I>&gt;<i> Frankly, I see little if any difference in speed or operation from a user's
+</I>&gt;<i> perspective between the two 32-bit kernels on my machine, so when I finally
+</I>&gt;<i> get the time to switch to Mageia as my production install I'll continue with
+</I>&gt;<i> the server kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked into installing the 64-bit version of Mandriva when I discovered my
+</I>&gt;<i> cpu was 64-bit capable, but concluded at the time that there was no real
+</I>&gt;<i> advantage on this machine since the maximum RAM is less than 4 GB. So far,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been happy with that, but in light of recent development, is there any
+</I>&gt;<i> reason why I should reconsider?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actually there're two criteria that must be met for the installer to
+opt for the kernel-server a) You have a 64-bit capable CPU and b) you
+have, at least, more than 3GB+ of RAM; if you only have 2GB of RAM
+then that's a bug in the installer, it should have opted for
+kernel-desktop, IIUC.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Ahmad Samir skrev 18.7.2011 09:04:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually there're two criteria that must be met for the installer to
+</I>&gt;<i> opt for the kernel-server a) You have a 64-bit capable CPU and b) you
+</I>
+Nope.
+
+we check for PAE support, not x86_64
+
+&gt;<i> have, at least, more than 3GB+ of RAM; if you only have 2GB of RAM
+</I>&gt;<i> then that's a bug in the installer, it should have opted for
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop, IIUC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+IIRC the memory trigger is at 3.8GB.
+
+Then we also chech dmi info for rack, ECC, and a few more stuff that is
+server specific.
+
+--
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+ <B>Jeff Robins</B>
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+On 07/16/2011 07:41 PM, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
+&gt;<i> If you are thinking about simple backup solution for some common directories
+</I>&gt;<i> (say, /etc/, /home/, ...), there are drakbackup and draksnapshot in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva/Mageia. Each has its peculiarities, but they do the job fine in
+</I>&gt;<i> most cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+draksnapshot crashes when I try and run it. I filed the automatic bug
+report. Does anyone else have this working in mga1? messagebus is running.
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187</A>
+
+Thanks,
+
+Jeff
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+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir skrev 18.7.2011 09:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually there're two criteria that must be met for the installer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opt for the kernel-server a) You have a 64-bit capable CPU and b) you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we check for PAE support, not x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, thanks for the correction.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> have, at least, more than 3GB+ of RAM; if you only have 2GB of RAM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then that's a bug in the installer, it should have opted for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-desktop, IIUC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC the memory trigger is at 3.8GB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we also chech dmi info for rack, ECC, and a few more stuff that is
+</I>&gt;<i> server specific.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On 07/18/2011 05:33 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir skrev 18.7.2011 09:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually there're two criteria that must be met for the installer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opt for the kernel-server a) You have a 64-bit capable CPU and b) you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we check for PAE support, not x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>OK, that's what I always suspected, before Doug made his post saying he
+had asked.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> have, at least, more than 3GB+ of RAM; if you only have 2GB of RAM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then that's a bug in the installer, it should have opted for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-desktop, IIUC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC the memory trigger is at 3.8GB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we also chech dmi info for rack, ECC, and a few more stuff that is
+</I>&gt;<i> server specific.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Whatever the checks, I found both 32-bit kernels to work equally well on
+my system. But then, I don't do anything that's really very demanding,
+either.
+
+TJ
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+<PRE>On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:25:55 +0200, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
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+&gt;<i> What problem do you have with x86_64 install?
+</I>
+ There were problems with some apps' 64-bit versions, e,g, Java/Flash
+extensions for Firefox, and as (from what I have read) the performance
+benefits of 64-bit v. 32-bit do not appear to be significant, I have
+stuck to 32-bit.
+
+Hopefully there will be a time when the 64-bit app problems go away, and
+when there are signs of that I will change to 64-bit.
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+Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:25:55 +0200, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What problem do you have with x86_64 install?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There were problems with some apps' 64-bit versions, e,g, Java/Flash
+</I>&gt;<i> extensions for Firefox, and as (from what I have read) the performance
+</I>&gt;<i> benefits of 64-bit v. 32-bit do not appear to be significant, I have
+</I>&gt;<i> stuck to 32-bit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hopefully there will be a time when the 64-bit app problems go away, and
+</I>&gt;<i> when there are signs of that I will change to 64-bit.
+</I>
+For the record, I haven't had any trouble with 64-bit stuff for years.
+Even the 64-bit Flash plugin works fine.
+
+(the performance benefit can be ~20% for CPU-bound stuff, by the way)
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
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+<LI><A HREF="004975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Ticket #16] Preferred backup program / drakbackup
+</A><A NAME="4984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
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+ <h1>18 July 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jul 18 02:21:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Jul 18 21:49:51 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 17<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Ticket #16] Preferred backup program / drakbackup
+</A><A NAME="4984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004989.html">[Mageia-discuss] a new menu
+</A><A NAME="4989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail
+</A><A NAME="4974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Jul 18 21:49:51 CEST 2011</i><br>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jul 18 02:21:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Jul 18 21:49:51 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 17<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01310948486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310948486-01310948898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310948486-01310949879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310948486-01310949879-01310950129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310948486-01310949879-01310950129-01310950539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310948486-01310949879-01310950129-01310950539-01310950931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310948486-01310949879-01310950129-01310950539-01310950931-01310951411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310948486-01310949879-01310950129-01310950539-01310950931-01310951411-01310951704- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Add profiles support in draknetcenter
+</A><A NAME="4981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310948877- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail
+</A><A NAME="4974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310969078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310969078-01310981593- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310969078-01310981593-01310987066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310969078-01310981593-01310991565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310983302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Ticket #16] Preferred backup program / drakbackup
+</A><A NAME="4984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310992119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310992119-01310992995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Installer: Server v. desktop kernel: No choice?
+</A><A NAME="4988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Jul 18 21:49:51 CEST 2011</i><br>
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