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( Logos, posters, decals, Web Pages, promo material ) + +The Operating system being included in the Mageia distro is called GNU +which is often, but not always used with the Linux Kernel as well as +many other excellent FOSS programs. + +We should be touting the Mageia Distro of GNU, Linux and assorted FOSS +programs. NOT Mageia Linux. Let's do it right. + + + + +Richard + +-- +LinuxCabal Asociación Civil +Ing. 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( Logos, posters, decals, Web Pages, promo material ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The Operating system being included in the Mageia distro is called GNU +</I>><i> which is often, but not always used with the Linux Kernel as well as +</I>><i> many other excellent FOSS programs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We should be touting the Mageia Distro of GNU, Linux and assorted FOSS +</I>><i> programs. NOT Mageia Linux. Let's do it right. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Richard +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I agree to support the GNU project and not to mention only Linux all the time. I had the opportunity to be in a coference of R.Stallman and except that he spent a big time of his conférence to explain this ( :D ) i think that he had very valable arguments as his coonamed :) has here. + +At least a mention/référence in the website to remember that Mageia is a GNU/Linux distribution. +As Mageia needs support GNU needs too and we own to it a lot. + + + + +-- +Dimitrios Glentadakis +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003819.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3820">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3820">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3820">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3820">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003821.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003821.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f7d63daba --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003821.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C3c6d92644cc58d775d1beee8917a4c96%40www.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003820.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003822.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C3c6d92644cc58d775d1beee8917a4c96%40www.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 12:13:29 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:29:09 -0600, Richard Couture wrote: +><i> Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux +</I>><i> as if it is an OS or a distribution, which in my opinion not only +</I>><i> robs +</I>><i> the people of the GNU ṕroject of the credit for the great operating +</I>><i> system that they have developed and maintain, but also is a great way +</I>><i> for us to wave our flag of ignorance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How come we don't call Windows NTLDR.EXE in a like manner that we +</I>><i> are calling GNU Linux. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is my opinion that we are being EXTREMELY Politically incorrect +</I>><i> and that we should correct ourselves now before it becomes an +</I>><i> impossible project. ( Logos, posters, decals, Web Pages, promo +</I>><i> material ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The Operating system being included in the Mageia distro is called +</I>><i> GNU which is often, but not always used with the Linux Kernel as well +</I>><i> as many other excellent FOSS programs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We should be touting the Mageia Distro of GNU, Linux and assorted +</I>><i> FOSS programs. NOT Mageia Linux. Let's do it right. +</I> + Hi, + I would propose that if you wish to do it right, to first do it right + from + a mageia point of view. IE, that you should first post + on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would start + by marcom ). You + can find the list of mailing lists on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/mailman/,">http://mageia.org/mailman/,</A> for + the old system, + and on <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</A> for the new one. But the new one do not + hold much for the moment. + + Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a + patch, especially + as this just html and this would likely be easy enough to be patched. + This would also show + that you are doing more than posting. As Linus say, "talk is cheap, + show me the code". + + Three, if you really really want to do it right up, I would suggest you + to consider avoid + superlative ( as extremely ) and capitals. This doesn't really achieve + any + good results for you, in my humble opinion. And if I were you, I would + try to rephrase stuffs that could + be seen as insulting to others such as "wave our flag of ignorance". It + would really help + your message to be well received. + +-- + Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003822.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003822.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..676dea7af --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003822.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimSn%2BcP%3DG3_Hg9yXhmdd5dqh6SSqpCJ1_2H%3DNTP%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003821.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003823.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimSn%2BcP%3DG3_Hg9yXhmdd5dqh6SSqpCJ1_2H%3DNTP%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 12:59:54 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:13, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:29:09 -0600, Richard Couture wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux +</I>>><i> as if it is an OS or a distribution, [...] +</I> +><i> I would propose that if you wish to do it right, to first do it right from +</I>><i> a mageia point of view. IE, that you should first post +</I>><i> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would start by +</I>><i> marcom ). [...] +</I> +Yep. The point is relevant (common language use vs. precision) so +thank you Richard for bringing this up, in a good way. + +><i> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a +</I>><i> patch, [...] +</I> +Although before a patch, the right message replacement should be +defined in marcom first. + +><i> Three, [...] +</I> +And please avoid the "politically [in]correct" thing, it is fuzzy at +best and it contributes to defuse the stance. + +As a side note, you will note that the Mageia end-product is to be +called "Mageia" and not "Mageia Linux" (neither "Mageia GNU/Linux" for +that matter). If it does, it's a matter of imprecision we can fix. And +we did launch the project as "Mageia, the new Linux distribution" - +this was a temporary launch title and it had to be short. + +So the fix will be more in how we define this Mageia product as such +("operating system"? "GNU/Linux distribution"? st else?) and relative +to what it uses/gathers (GNU/Linux indeed, but not only). + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003823.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003823.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cb7c4febc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003823.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D9xRf-CKtQvJOg8Zmt-w%3DJw0yeYjGYSzSouB0D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003822.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003829.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D9xRf-CKtQvJOg8Zmt-w%3DJw0yeYjGYSzSouB0D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 13:24:03 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3823">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3823">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3823">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3823">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/2 Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:13, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:29:09 -0600, Richard Couture wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux +</I>>>><i> as if it is an OS or a distribution, [...] +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I would propose that if you wish to do it right, to first do it right from +</I>>><i> a mageia point of view. IE, that you should first post +</I>>><i> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would start by +</I>>><i> marcom ). [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yep. The point is relevant (common language use vs. precision) so +</I>><i> thank you Richard for bringing this up, in a good way. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a +</I>>><i> patch, [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Although before a patch, the right message replacement should be +</I>><i> defined in marcom first. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Three, [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And please avoid the "politically [in]correct" thing, it is fuzzy at +</I>><i> best and it contributes to defuse the stance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a side note, you will note that the Mageia end-product is to be +</I>><i> called "Mageia" and not "Mageia Linux" (neither "Mageia GNU/Linux" for +</I>><i> that matter). If it does, it's a matter of imprecision we can fix. And +</I>><i> we did launch the project as "Mageia, the new Linux distribution" - +</I>><i> this was a temporary launch title and it had to be short. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So the fix will be more in how we define this Mageia product as such +</I>><i> ("operating system"? "GNU/Linux distribution"? st else?) and relative +</I>><i> to what it uses/gathers (GNU/Linux indeed, but not only). +</I> +As a side note: +I met RMS when he held a speech in Frankfurt. He told me that he will +not visit Linuxtag (nor reply to an invitation for a key note) until +they change the event's name to "GNU/Linuxtag". I mention this to show +his commitment about this point. + +But language and also expressions are a living thing. Today everybody +is aware that "Linux" stands for the whole package while "kernel" is +the current expression for the "real" Linux and everything else are +tools and apps, where the GNU tools are just one part. What we now +call "Linux" is far more than what RMS claims, it is not just +GNU/Linux. It is also Mozilla/Linux, OpenOffice.org/Linux, etc. + +My personal opinion on that: to really be correct we have no other way +to use either "Linux" or use [all tools and applications]/Linux, which +would be ridiculous. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3823">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3823">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3823">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3823">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003824.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003824.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..79f59b3d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003824.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C201103020957.33446.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003839.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003828.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C201103020957.33446.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 13:57:33 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3824">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3824">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3824">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3824">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 02 March 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Richard Couture <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>> who wrote: + +><i> Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux as +</I>><i> if it is an OS or a distribution, which in my opinion not only robs the +</I>><i> people of the GNU ṕroject of the credit for the great operating system +</I>><i> that they have developed and maintain, but also is a great way for us to +</I>><i> wave our flag of ignorance. +</I> +I am afraid that you have to accept that "Linux" has now gone the same way as +"Xerox" or "Freigidaire", and has acquired a wider meaning in common parlance +than its original. + +We (and trademark lawyers) may deplore that state of affairs, we can try to +hold back the oncoming tide and use "GNU-Linux" whenever we get a chance, but +we must also accept that, for the great majority of those who know about +Linux, it has come to refer to the OS, not just the kernel. + +To quote the Wikipedia entry on Linux: +"Linux (commonly pronounced /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in American English,[also +pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks in Europe) refers to the family of Unix-like +computer operating systems using the Linux kernel. " + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Défiez vous des premiers mouvements, + parce qu'ils sont bons. + -- Casimir, Comte de Montrond + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3824">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3824">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3824">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3824">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003825.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003825.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ff5380a3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003825.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C20110302130901.GR21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003828.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003827.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C20110302130901.GR21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 14:09:02 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3825">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3825">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3825">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3825">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 01 Mar 2011, Richard Couture wrote: + +><i> -- +</I>><i> LinuxCabal Asociación Civil +</I>><i> Ing. 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Dvorak + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Défiez vous des premiers mouvements, + parce qu'ils sont bons. + -- Casimir, Comte de Montrond + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003830.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3826">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3826">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3826">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3826">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003827.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003827.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a84bac3c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003827.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik6XofKsoa2PU6LR%3DBeqFvcEZdib%2BLxwhyOPAOD%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003825.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003826.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Adjamilton Júnior</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik6XofKsoa2PU6LR%3DBeqFvcEZdib%2BLxwhyOPAOD%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">ajunior at brasifort.com.br + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 14:28:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3827">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3827">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3827">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3827">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I think that discussion is unecessary. I'll explain my humble opinion: + +1. We're not obliged to call our distribuition of GNU/Linux. Today the +Distribuitions use many tools that not developed by GNU project, so call the +Mageia of "Mageia GNU/Linux" is forget all others great tools. + +2. I think that we free for called our distro with reference in kernel used, +Linux in this case. I understand that Mageia Linux is valid because we +intend to make clear to interested that our distribution uses the Linux +kernel. + +3. I don't think it's belittle the GNU Project and/or others tools included +in Mageia. + +4. But I reconize that work of GNU Project was and is essencially and +necessary for all Linux distribuition. + +5. I take this moment to congratulate the GNU Project for all work realized. + +Cheers, + +Adjamilton "Júnior Almeida". +i18n pt_BR Team +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110302/760cf66f/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3827">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3827">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3827">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3827">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003828.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003828.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6bc589e5e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003828.html @@ -0,0 +1,149 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C20110302144059.45cf1e87%40gaia.terre%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003824.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003825.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>André Salaün</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C20110302144059.45cf1e87%40gaia.terre%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">andresalaun at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 14:40:59 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3828">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3828">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3828">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3828">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>But on fr.wikipedia : +« Linux, ou GNU/Linux, est un système d’exploitation compatible POSIX +de type UNIX. Linux est fondé sur le noyau Linux, logiciel libre créé +en 1991 par Linus Torvalds. Il est souvent utilisé avec les logiciels +du système d’exploitation libre GNU. » + +I suppose we have to read others no-english " wikipedia " too ? +For example es.wikipedia : + +Linux es un núcleo (también denominado Kernel) de sistema operativo +libre tipo Unix.3 Es uno de los principales ejemplos de software libre +y código abierto. Linux está licenciado bajo la GPL v2 y está +desarrollado por colaboradores de todo el mundo. El desarrollo del día +a día tiene lugar en la Linux Kernel Mailing List. + +or italien one : + +« +Linux (o GNU/Linux), pronunciato /ˈlɪnʊks/[3], è un sistema operativo +libero di tipo Unix (o unix-like) costituito dall'integrazione del +kernel Linux con elementi del sistema GNU e di altro software +sviluppato e distribuito con licenza GNU GPL o con altre licenze +libere. Supporto da società come IBM, Sun Microsystems, +Hewlett-Packard, Red Hat e Novell, Linux può essere installato su una +ampia gamma di computer, dai cellulari, tablet computer e console ai +mainframe e i supercomputer[4][5][6][7]. Linux è anche un sistema +operativo per server e fa funzionare i 10 supercomputer più veloci nel +mondo[8]. » + +german : + +« Als Linux (dt. [ˈliːnʊks]) oder GNU/Linux (siehe +GNU/Linux-Namensstreit) werden in der Regel freie, unix-ähnliche +Mehrbenutzer-Betriebssysteme bezeichnet, die auf dem Linux-Kernel und +wesentlich auf GNU-Software basieren. Die weite, auch kommerzielle +Verbreitung wurde ab 1992 durch die Lizenzierung des Linux-Kernels +unter der GPL ermöglicht. » + + +I can't understand russian, greek arabic or mahori one one but it will +be very very interesting + +So you can see that en.wikipedia is not the better one . + +And RMS is clearly right : he knows that words produce ideas as well as +ideas produce words. +Or do we have to accept a kind of « real politik » about free software +too ? It will be very curious... + + + +Le Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:57:33 -0300 +"Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>> a écrit: + +><i> On Wednesday 02 March 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive +</I>><i> from Richard Couture <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>> who wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux as +</I>><i> > if it is an OS or a distribution, which in my opinion not only robs the +</I>><i> > people of the GNU ṕroject of the credit for the great operating system +</I>><i> > that they have developed and maintain, but also is a great way for us to +</I>><i> > wave our flag of ignorance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am afraid that you have to accept that "Linux" has now gone the same way as +</I>><i> "Xerox" or "Freigidaire", and has acquired a wider meaning in common parlance +</I>><i> than its original. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We (and trademark lawyers) may deplore that state of affairs, we can try to +</I>><i> hold back the oncoming tide and use "GNU-Linux" whenever we get a chance, but +</I>><i> we must also accept that, for the great majority of those who know about +</I>><i> Linux, it has come to refer to the OS, not just the kernel. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To quote the Wikipedia entry on Linux: +</I>><i> "Linux (commonly pronounced /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in American English,[also +</I>><i> pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks in Europe) refers to the family of Unix-like +</I>><i> computer operating systems using the Linux kernel. " +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ron. +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Défiez vous des premiers mouvements, +</I>><i> parce qu'ils sont bons. +</I>><i> -- Casimir, Comte de Montrond +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3828">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3828">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3828">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3828">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003829.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003829.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..28ed09a90 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003829.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E4A60.9030404%40jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003823.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003833.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>James Kerr</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E4A60.9030404%40jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 14:47:12 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3829">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3829">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3829">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3829">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 02/03/11 12:24, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2011/3/2 Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:13, Michael Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:29:09 -0600, Richard Couture wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux +</I>>>>><i> as if it is an OS or a distribution, [...] +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I would propose that if you wish to do it right, to first do it right from +</I>>>><i> a mageia point of view. IE, that you should first post +</I>>>><i> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would start by +</I>>>><i> marcom ). [...] +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yep. The point is relevant (common language use vs. precision) so +</I>>><i> thank you Richard for bringing this up, in a good way. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a +</I>>>><i> patch, [...] +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Although before a patch, the right message replacement should be +</I>>><i> defined in marcom first. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Three, [...] +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And please avoid the "politically [in]correct" thing, it is fuzzy at +</I>>><i> best and it contributes to defuse the stance. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As a side note, you will note that the Mageia end-product is to be +</I>>><i> called "Mageia" and not "Mageia Linux" (neither "Mageia GNU/Linux" for +</I>>><i> that matter). If it does, it's a matter of imprecision we can fix. And +</I>>><i> we did launch the project as "Mageia, the new Linux distribution" - +</I>>><i> this was a temporary launch title and it had to be short. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So the fix will be more in how we define this Mageia product as such +</I>>><i> ("operating system"? "GNU/Linux distribution"? st else?) and relative +</I>>><i> to what it uses/gathers (GNU/Linux indeed, but not only). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a side note: +</I>><i> I met RMS when he held a speech in Frankfurt. He told me that he will +</I>><i> not visit Linuxtag (nor reply to an invitation for a key note) until +</I>><i> they change the event's name to "GNU/Linuxtag". I mention this to show +</I>><i> his commitment about this point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But language and also expressions are a living thing. Today everybody +</I>><i> is aware that "Linux" stands for the whole package while "kernel" is +</I>><i> the current expression for the "real" Linux and everything else are +</I>><i> tools and apps, where the GNU tools are just one part. What we now +</I>><i> call "Linux" is far more than what RMS claims, it is not just +</I>><i> GNU/Linux. It is also Mozilla/Linux, OpenOffice.org/Linux, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My personal opinion on that: to really be correct we have no other way +</I>><i> to use either "Linux" or use [all tools and applications]/Linux, which +</I>><i> would be ridiculous. +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree with wobo. In English, and, I think, in many other modern +languages, the meaning of a word is determined by common usage and not +by what technical experts think it should mean. + +The Oxford Dictionary, which (eventually) reflects common usage, and is +the nearest we have to a definitive source in English, defines Linux as: + +"an open-source operating system modelled on UNIX." + +"Political in-correctness" often results from failure to recognise the +changing meanings/connotations of words. + +Jim + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3829">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3829">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3829">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3829">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003830.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003830.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ba4ab8b0e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003830.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E5ED9.9010202%40linuxcabal.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003826.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003831.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Richard Couture</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E5ED9.9010202%40linuxcabal.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">rrc at linuxcabal.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 16:14:33 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3830">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3830">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3830">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3830">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> >> I would propose that if you wish to do it right, to first do it +right from + >> a mageia point of view. IE, that you should first post + >> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would +start by + >> marcom ). [...] + +Which is the proper ML. I thought that this one was a general purpose +list. Sorry about the off topic... If you can point me in the proper +direction .... + + + >> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a + >> patch, [...] + +If and when a change is deemed to be in order I would be most pleased to +volunteer to rewrite the Web pages in accordance with the agreed upon specs + + + > As a side note: + > I met RMS when he held a speech in Frankfurt. He told me that he will + > not visit Linuxtag (nor reply to an invitation for a key note) until + > they change the event's name to "GNU/Linuxtag". I mention this to show + > his commitment about this point. + +If we choose to refer to the whole shooting match by the name of Linux +without mention of GNU we will forfeit any and all positive +acknowledgment of the FSF. + + + + +Richard + +-- +LinuxCabal Asociación Civil +Ing. Richard Couture +Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE +HP/Compaq ASE +Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 +Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 +Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 +Web: <A HREF="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</A> +E-Mail: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A> +Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com + +AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su +caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de +carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única +y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. 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IE, that you should first post +</I>><i> >> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would +</I>><i> start by +</I>><i> >> marcom ). [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Which is the proper ML. I thought that this one was a general purpose +</I>><i> list. Sorry about the off topic... If you can point me in the proper +</I>><i> direction .... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a +</I>><i> >> patch, [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If and when a change is deemed to be in order I would be most pleased to +</I>><i> volunteer to rewrite the Web pages in accordance with the agreed upon specs +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > As a side note: +</I>><i> > I met RMS when he held a speech in Frankfurt. He told me that he will +</I>><i> > not visit Linuxtag (nor reply to an invitation for a key note) until +</I>><i> > they change the event's name to "GNU/Linuxtag". I mention this to show +</I>><i> > his commitment about this point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we choose to refer to the whole shooting match by the name of Linux +</I>><i> without mention of GNU we will forfeit any and all positive +</I>><i> acknowledgment of the FSF. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Richard +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +LinuxCabal Asociación Civil +Ing. Richard Couture +Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE +HP/Compaq ASE +Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 +Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 +Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 +Web: <A HREF="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</A> +E-Mail: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A> +Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com + +AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su +caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de +carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única +y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La +copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información +confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está +prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente +correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo +y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como +cualesquiera copia del mismo. 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+ +That way we acknowledge the contributions of RMS/GNU AND have a geeky, +awkward, *NIX-ish recursive acronym as a bonus. + +Problem solved. + + + + +Or how about we not even take the crazytrain to RMS-land? + + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3832">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3832">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3832">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3832">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003833.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003833.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..82216e122 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003833.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E60CB.6070604%40cox.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003829.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003836.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Gary Montalbine</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E60CB.6070604%40cox.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">gmontalbine at cox.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 16:22:51 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3833">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3833">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3833">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3833">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> From strictly a users point of view the program I use is Linux. I have +been a Mandrake/Mandriva Linux user for 9 years. When asked what program +I use I say "Linux". I have no idea what GNU is or does and I don't +really care. I also believe the general public is more familiar with the +name Linux than any other. The goal of Mageia should be to gain +acceptance as the best "Linux" distribution for the general public and +not confuse them with technical terms. +Gary + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3833">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3833">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3833">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3833">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003834.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003834.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6bf9924a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003834.html @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E6839.5000606%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003841.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003839.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E6839.5000606%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 16:54:33 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3834">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3834">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3834">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3834">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>James Kerr a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 02/03/11 12:24, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> 2011/3/2 Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:13, Michael Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:29:09 -0600, Richard Couture wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Throughout the pages at www.Mageia.org there are references to Linux +</I>>>>>><i> as if it is an OS or a distribution, [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I would propose that if you wish to do it right, to first do it +</I>>>>><i> right from +</I>>>>><i> a mageia point of view. IE, that you should first post +</I>>>>><i> on the proper ml ( ie one dedicated to web, or marketing, I would +</I>>>>><i> start by +</I>>>>><i> marcom ). [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Yep. The point is relevant (common language use vs. precision) so +</I>>>><i> thank you Richard for bringing this up, in a good way. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Second, if you really want to do it right, you should IMHO start with a +</I>>>>><i> patch, [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Although before a patch, the right message replacement should be +</I>>>><i> defined in marcom first. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Three, [...] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And please avoid the "politically [in]correct" thing, it is fuzzy at +</I>>>><i> best and it contributes to defuse the stance. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As a side note, you will note that the Mageia end-product is to be +</I>>>><i> called "Mageia" and not "Mageia Linux" (neither "Mageia GNU/Linux" for +</I>>>><i> that matter). If it does, it's a matter of imprecision we can fix. And +</I>>>><i> we did launch the project as "Mageia, the new Linux distribution" - +</I>>>><i> this was a temporary launch title and it had to be short. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So the fix will be more in how we define this Mageia product as such +</I>>>><i> ("operating system"? "GNU/Linux distribution"? st else?) and relative +</I>>>><i> to what it uses/gathers (GNU/Linux indeed, but not only). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As a side note: +</I>>><i> I met RMS when he held a speech in Frankfurt. He told me that he will +</I>>><i> not visit Linuxtag (nor reply to an invitation for a key note) until +</I>>><i> they change the event's name to "GNU/Linuxtag". I mention this to show +</I>>><i> his commitment about this point. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But language and also expressions are a living thing. Today everybody +</I>>><i> is aware that "Linux" stands for the whole package while "kernel" is +</I>>><i> the current expression for the "real" Linux and everything else are +</I>>><i> tools and apps, where the GNU tools are just one part. What we now +</I>>><i> call "Linux" is far more than what RMS claims, it is not just +</I>>><i> GNU/Linux. It is also Mozilla/Linux, OpenOffice.org/Linux, etc. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My personal opinion on that: to really be correct we have no other way +</I>>><i> to use either "Linux" or use [all tools and applications]/Linux, which +</I>>><i> would be ridiculous. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with wobo. In English, and, I think, in many other modern +</I>><i> languages, the meaning of a word is determined by common usage and not +</I>><i> by what technical experts think it should mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The Oxford Dictionary, which (eventually) reflects common usage, and is +</I>><i> the nearest we have to a definitive source in English, defines Linux as: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "an open-source operating system modelled on UNIX." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "Political in-correctness" often results from failure to recognise the +</I>><i> changing meanings/connotations of words. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Jim +</I> +I also agree with wobo. +If you _really_ want to be totally correct, you should also include "the +Gnu implementation of the posix/unix standard", which gets even more +obscure. It is a bit like the "free" vs "open source" argument, which +even Stallman (a proponent of "free") admits that they refer to the same +thing. +Note that there are similar nuances with the meaning of "Mozilla" - +which the Mozilla foundation wisely accepts. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3834">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3834">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3834">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3834">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003835.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003835.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..09b0e3df0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003835.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E69C1.3040605%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003832.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003838.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6E69C1.3040605%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 17:01:05 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003838.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3835">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3835">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3835">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3835">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hoyt Duff a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 3/2/11, Richard Couture<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> How about +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Mageia - A F/OSS distro based on GNU& Linux +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's just absurd. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But if you insist on placating RMS, I propose we re-define 'Linux' in +</I>><i> the Mageia license/TOS/manifesto to be a recursive acronym for +</I>><i> 'GNU/Linux' in every reference (with the 'G' being absent but +</I>><i> represented in the name of the Mageia distro)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That way we acknowledge the contributions of RMS/GNU AND have a geeky, +</I>><i> awkward, *NIX-ish recursive acronym as a bonus. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Problem solved. +</I> +Well done :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003838.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3835">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3835">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3835">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3835">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003836.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003836.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d5c3c226 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003836.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C201103021424.49768.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003833.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003837.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3C201103021424.49768.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 18:24:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3836">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3836">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3836">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3836">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 02 March 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Gary Montalbine <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A>> who wrote: + +><i> I have no idea what GNU is or does and I don't really care. +</I> +Time to read "In the beginning was the command line" and "The cathedral and +the bazaar" ! + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Everything you've learned in school as "obvious" becomes + less and less obvious as you begin to study the universe. + For example, there are no solids in the universe. + There's not even a suggestion of a solid. + There are no absolute continuums. + There are no surfaces. + There are no straight lines. + -- R. 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He has right in the part that for these reasons is good and right for GNU to be mentioned and for the users at least to know the name GNU and its existance. + +After that we cannot be exaggerated, it does nt worth a debate. + +I dont think that someones who says only "Linux" is against GNU. + + +-- +Dimitrios Glentadakis +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3837">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3837">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3837">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3837">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003838.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003838.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..07710741f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003838.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] An idea for later + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20An%20idea%20for%20later&In-Reply-To=%3C201103021442.41203.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003835.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003842.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20An%20idea%20for%20later&In-Reply-To=%3C201103021442.41203.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 18:42:41 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003842.html">[Mageia-discuss] SSL certificate on mageia websites +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3838">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3838">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3838">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3838">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>To save (some) hassle, when doing a full intall (not an update) on an existing +install, what if the install program were to find and save, if they exist, a +number of config files and directories and reuse them ? +I am thinking specially of +/etc/host* +/etc/cron* +the user (499<UID ) portion of /etc/passwd and /etc/group +and some directories like +/etc/bluetooth +/etc/cups +/etc/cron.* +/etc/ssh + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Everything you've learned in school as "obvious" becomes + less and less obvious as you begin to study the universe. + For example, there are no solids in the universe. + There's not even a suggestion of a solid. + There are no absolute continuums. + There are no surfaces. + There are no straight lines. + -- R. 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He has right in the part that for these reasons is good and right for GNU to be mentioned and for the users at least to know the name GNU and its existance. +</I>I agree. + +><i> After that we cannot be exaggerated, it does nt worth a debate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I dont think that someones who says only "Linux" is against GNU. +</I> +Nobody told that. + +But using only Linux because it is "common" for +uninformed people is simplistic ; as we say in French : +« l'enfer est pavé de bonnes intentions » +« the road to hell is paved with good intentions » + +Furthermore someone (like me and some others perhaps ) can be +interesting in « popular education » (éducation populaire) and +relations between free software, free sciences free... +Oversimplification of the word is always oversimplifaction of the +concept. Even if it seems to be easier I see that as a fault. + +><i> -- +</I>><i> Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +-- +A.Salaün +Ne lâchez rien. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3840">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3840">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3840">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3840">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003841.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003841.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2f6a03f6e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003841.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DZk0esqYs5mteUbqwyuoCAt-71hO%2BLm_Jv1kKw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003840.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003834.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20is%20a%20KERNEL%20not%20an%20OS&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DZk0esqYs5mteUbqwyuoCAt-71hO%2BLm_Jv1kKw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 23:22:12 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3841">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3841">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3841">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3841">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/2 André Salaün <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at free.fr</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> But using only Linux because it is "common" for +</I>><i> uninformed people is simplistic ; as we say in French : +</I>><i> « l'enfer est pavé de bonnes intentions » +</I>><i> « the road to hell is paved with good intentions » +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Furthermore someone (like me and some others perhaps ) can be +</I>><i> interesting in « popular education » (éducation populaire)  and +</I>><i> relations between free software, free sciences free... +</I>><i> Oversimplification of the word is always oversimplifaction of the +</I>><i> concept. Even if it seems to be easier I see that as a fault. +</I> +I have seen the history of GNU and Linux and their "marriage" (because +the GNU people did not have any simple and free kernel for their +software). So, from my point of view there's a good chance that Linux +could have grown to a full operating system even without the GNU +project. On the other side nobody could tell if the GNU project would +have survived without Linux. Both thoughts are speculations, of +course. + +But would a GNU/Linux naming policy not neglect the merits of all the +other projects who actually made the "Gnu/Linux" system a real usable +package? Imagine a distribution only supplying Linux and what remains +from the GNU project (especially Emacs) - would any user actually use +it (except developpers and "tech freaks")? I serioously doubt that +this kind of package would never have made it out of the university +and research labs environment, let alone conquer the business world. + +So much about the real value of Stallman's demand from my POV. I do +not want to belittle his and the GNU project's merits but I want to +set proportions right. + +I remember discussing this with Maddog Hall a couple of years ago +(must have been in 2005). Now Maddog seems to be a somewhat biased +"friend" of RMS from the stories he tells. He sees both sides but also +said that he thinks Stallmann is exaggerating about this. :) + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3841">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3841">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3841">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3841">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003842.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003842.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5d2feb211 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/003842.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] SSL certificate on mageia websites + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20SSL%20certificate%20on%20mageia%20websites&In-Reply-To=%3C20110302225731.GW21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003838.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] SSL certificate on mageia websites</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20SSL%20certificate%20on%20mageia%20websites&In-Reply-To=%3C20110302225731.GW21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] SSL certificate on mageia websites">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Mar 2 23:57:31 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003838.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3842">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3842">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3842">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3842">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, + +The SSL certificates used on the following websites has been updated : + - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org">https://bugs.mageia.org</A> + - <A HREF="https://epoll.mageia.org">https://epoll.mageia.org</A> + - <A HREF="https://identity.mageia.org">https://identity.mageia.org</A> + - <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org">https://ml.mageia.org</A> + - <A HREF="https://transifex.mageia.org">https://transifex.mageia.org</A> + +We are now using a wildcard certificate signed by Gandi, which should be +recognized by most web browsers. Fingerprint of the new certificate : +SHA1 Fingerprint=7F:80:39:35:36:E4:1F:CB:2F:E2:F5:E8:CE:B7:42:93:51:33:77:B9 + +Let us know if you notice any problem. + +Temporary wiki and mailman on <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> are still using a +self signed certificate as it is still hosted on PLF servers. The new +certificate will be used when they have been moved to Mageia servers. + +Nicolas + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003838.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3842">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3842">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3842">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3842">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7f0d38039 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,167 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 2 March 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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<b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Mar 2 23:57:31 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 24<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003838.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea for later +</A><A NAME="3838"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003819.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3819"> </A> +<I>Richard Couture +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3820"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3821"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3822"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3823"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3824"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3825"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3826"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3827"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3828"> </A> +<I>André Salaün +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3829"> </A> +<I>James Kerr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003830.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3830"> </A> +<I>Richard Couture +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3831"> </A> +<I>Richard Couture +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3833"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3832"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3834"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3835"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3836"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3837"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3839"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3840"> </A> +<I>André Salaün +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3841"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003842.html">[Mageia-discuss] SSL certificate on mageia websites +</A><A NAME="3842"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Mar 2 23:57:31 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Mar 2 23:57:42 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a2e97cab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110302/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,205 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + 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KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3820"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<!--1 01299040149-01299064409- --> +<LI><A HREF="003821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3821"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194- --> +<LI><A HREF="003822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3822"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643- --> +<LI><A HREF="003823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3823"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643-01299073632- --> +<LI><A HREF="003829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3829"> </A> +<I>James Kerr +</I> + +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643-01299073632-01299079371- --> +<LI><A HREF="003833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3833"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643-01299073632-01299079371-01299086689- --> +<LI><A HREF="003836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3836"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643-01299073632-01299079371-01299086689-01299087598- --> +<LI><A HREF="003837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3837"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643-01299073632-01299079371-01299086689-01299087598-01299093913- --> +<LI><A HREF="003840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3840"> </A> +<I>André Salaün +</I> + +<!--3 01299040149-01299064409-01299067194-01299068643-01299073632-01299079371-01299086689-01299087598-01299093913-01299104532- --> +<LI><A HREF="003841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux is a KERNEL not an OS +</A><A NAME="3841"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 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