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In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +</I>><i> > contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right +</I>><i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get +</I>><i> it going at all. But for something where the basic number of +</I>><i> contributors is already available it's time to turn users into +</I>><i> committed users. +</I> +Which basically mean "gaining contributor". He do not say where the +contributors come from, and there is no indication they should come from +the userbase. So, maybe you agree with him. ( maybe not on the scale, +which is a little bit extreme ). + +><i> Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is +</I>><i> cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as +</I>><i> development. You can have the best product in the world but no success +</I>><i> if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults). +</I> + +Fedora has a system of ambassador, who exactly do this, PR. So they +recognize this as a form of contribution. + +Then if some users do PR work, they are contributors, not users ( in the +sense I understand it which would be "someone who do not contribute" ). + +When he speak of users, I think he speak of someone who download the +iso, install and do noting more. No proselytism, no bug report, nothing. + +Basically, having this person as user or not do not change much the +project. Now, if the person start to contribute by helping on forum, it +bring value to the project, and can be counted as someone who +contribute. + +><i> How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other +</I>><i> means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as +</I>><i> users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like +</I>><i> it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time, +</I>><i> sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily +</I>><i> work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it +</I>><i> was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But +</I>><i> finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one +</I>><i> contributor or user-turns-contributor among them. +</I> +Well, his point, imho, is that if you have to decide between helping +someone to contribute or helping someone to use ( in the sense we +defined previously ), you should help people to contribute. + +His view is just a uncomfortable truth : + +- ressources ( ie contributors of all kind ) are scarce +- ressources diminish with time ( ie, people leave for various reason ) +- so we should aim to increase the ressources to survive and to counter +the erosion +- so we should allocate more priority into getting contributors than +simple non contributing users, because some of them will come whatever +we do. +- in turn, having more contributors lead to more contribution, which +lead to a better project, and more satisfied users, who are likely to +grow into contributors who simply attract people because they contribute +with positive PR. + +Ie, attracting contributors are likely to be a much better way to invest +time than attracting non contributing users, as it has a better ROI ( if +I may use such dehumanizing term ). + +Of course, there is no clear separation between the 2 ( even if when I +say "we should treat everybody as potential contributor" ( which is a +negation of the divide ), there is always someone who remind that +"there is some people that do not want to be treated as such" ) ). + +And the fact that everybody will tell "but users also bring +contributors" is the sign that we agree that contributors are a asset. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2503">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2503">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2503">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2503">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |