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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002422.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002422.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ad323c5b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002422.html @@ -0,0 +1,140 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010151811.31039.gamalamboy%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002423.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodríguez</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010151811.31039.gamalamboy%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">gamalamboy at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 00:11:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2422">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2422">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2422">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2422">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 15 October 2010 11:47:07 am Marcello Anni wrote: +><i> > On 15 October 2010 17:00, Marcello Anni <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > >> On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > >> >> I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way +</I>><i> > >> >> in the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just "Mageia" not as +</I>><i> > >> >> "Mageia, a Linux distro", even implicitly, is just wrong. People +</I>><i> > >> >> who contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and "values" to +</I>><i> > >> >> uphold. I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and +</I>><i> > >> >> we _can be a successful Linux distro_. +</I>><i> > >> > +</I>><i> > >> > i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes +</I>><i> > >> > interested in linux and in its community (and values) than +</I>><i> > >> > considering mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he +</I>><i> > >> > thinks it is too diffult... do you agree? +</I>><i> > >> > +</I>><i> > >> > +</I>><i> > >> > +</I>><i> > >> > Marcello +</I>><i> > >> +</I>><i> > >> It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for +</I>><i> > >> whatever reason: - economical, he can't afford windows +</I>><i> > >> - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc +</I>><i> > >> - ideological, he wants to use free open source software +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux +</I>><i> > > for these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we +</I>><i> > > must comunicate to the people that think "linux is ugly and difficult +</I>><i> > > to use" that there is the best system around the world and that they +</I>><i> > > didn't try it yet. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Bear in mind that those who searched will put more time/effort into +</I>><i> > getting it to work, i.e. they're not doing it as a sort of stunt :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> in fact (in compatibility with manpower and marketing decisions) we must +</I>><i> offer an increasingly ease of use also for those people (without +</I>><i> forgetting mentors help) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > >> then he looks for a distro and start using it. +</I>><i> > >> +</I>><i> > >> Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to +</I>><i> > >> give that "thing" a shot, but he should know what he's about to use. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful +</I>><i> > > anyway, overall in the first steps), i would like to change the +</I>><i> > > synonim linux=difficult. if you change it (as it happened often to +</I>><i> > > me), they say to you "ah, cool", but they won't ever install it . +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > cheers, +</I>><i> > > Marcello +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I don't see how that contradicts my point of _not_ promoting "Mageia" +</I>><i> > but ""Mageia" the Linux distro".... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> it is only a different POV. (but interesting in my opinion).. you say +</I>><i> linux- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >mageia, i say mageia->linux : ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> cheers, +</I>><i> Marcello +</I>Sorry to meddle, but as part of the marketing team I really want to synthesize +both of the views exposed here instead of choosing between them. And the key +is Graham's proposal: different branding. This does not mean reinventing the +wheel for every single audience, as some elements can possibly be shared, but +rather that we need to approach the kinds of users at large differently. That +is why we look for a "target" market and create a brand for it. And this +branch of the discussion fits nicely into such a proposal. + +You see, non-technical users, of which I am an acquaintance as I maintain tons +of Windows boxes in my university (informally, but it's still work), barely +have even the knowledge necessary to choose an OS. Therefore, the branding for +them cannot possibly insert Linux or other technical details; it is more of a +simplified picture of what Free Software is and how we insert ourselves into +that. This is seen in our Core Values, where the main focus is showing people +that we are a Community, not a corporation, and that we care about our users. +On the other side we have the intermediate-to-advanced Linux users, which CAN +and/or DO choose a Linux OS and FOSS Technologies. To these users we can +introduce a branding that includes our special characteristics in the Linux +world and the advantages of using our development branch, etc. But Graham's +point still stands, that we need to define these target markets more fully so +we can better assess the Mageia reputation in each of them. + +I hope this can help us reach a consensus without splitting ourselves. + +P.S. Sorry if I break the thread, I am not very familiar with nettiquete and +my current mail client. IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL, if it happens... :) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2422">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2422">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2422">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2422">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002423.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002423.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6fb44ba2c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002423.html @@ -0,0 +1,159 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinv3__ty6PnKtyvQP3JdPyjFPVundUMbqLTeHK2%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002422.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002424.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinv3__ty6PnKtyvQP3JdPyjFPVundUMbqLTeHK2%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 06:16:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002422.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2423">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2423">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2423">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2423">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/15 Gamaliel Lamboy Rodríguez <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gamalamboy at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Therefore, the branding for +</I>><i> them cannot possibly insert Linux or other technical details; it is more of a +</I>><i> simplified picture of what Free Software is and how we insert ourselves into +</I>><i> that. This is seen in our Core Values, where the main focus is showing people +</I>><i> that we are a Community, not a corporation, and that we care about our users. +</I>><i> On the other side we have the intermediate-to-advanced Linux users, which CAN +</I>><i> and/or DO choose a Linux OS and FOSS Technologies. To these users we can +</I>><i> introduce a branding that includes our special characteristics in the Linux +</I>><i> world and the advantages of using our development branch, etc. But Graham's +</I>><i> point still stands, that we need to define these target markets more fully so +</I>><i> we can better assess the Mageia reputation in each of them. +</I> + +My opinion is from my POV: I'm a home user, FLOSS enthusiast, curious, +I love computers, love to read, love to learn, love to help in forums, +but in the end, I'm just a regular-guy-not-developer. I work in +nothing related with computers, just an administrative employee. I'm a +dad, I'm a husband. + +Said this, I start. + +What I see when I navigate Internet is this: + +<A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/</A> + +<A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/</A> + +<A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/</A> + +<A HREF="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover</A> + +<A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features</A> + +These are examples of the way other big companies "sell" their +products. They keep it simple. They describe it with simplicity, +non-technical language. Obviously, they are targeting people that know +very little about computers, OS, software. + +Images are almost always showing mom+dad+kids (or teens) all together, +around the notebook, laughing, enjoying. Or teenagers with their +backpacks, and skates, cool clothes, doing things like chat, listening +music, watching a video, facebook, etc. + +My point is that these big companies, exhibit their products with a +"common people" language, showing images of common people, doing +ordinary things. + +Why? because common people is the people who need to be convinced. +Common people have doubts, maybe they are a little scare about if the +hit a key and a program is erased. + +People like all of you and me, know what we want and what we need +(talking about the OS and software and hardware). + +I know that I can mount a small server with an ordinary Win XP, if I +put in it the right software. The same XP that Microsoft "sell" to +ordinary people with nice images of the family watching Toy Story in +the notebook. + +I (and all of you) don't need that a company mounting images of a geek +mounting a server with Gentoo. Because we are not ordinary users. We +need something, we go to Google, we go to forums, we read a lot, we +pick the software we need, we set it up, and we mount whatever satisfy +our need. We're self sufficient. We are "special". + +We won't use Mageia because the marketing team convince us. We are +here to build it from the very base. + +Ordinary people must be convinced by us (or by our marketing team) +that Mageia is easy. That Mageia will not bite them. That they will +watch their movies, talk with their IM friends, listen music, create +their documents, without open a console and type "dark" commands that +they can't understand. + +We must make "common people" feel comfortable in Mageia. They must +feel joy using their computers with Mageia. To use Mageia must be easy +and pleasurable work/play/hand around with Mageia. + +Of course, the console will be there for "power users". Packages to +mount a servers will also be there too. But you don't need to create a +big marketing campaign for power users, because they know what is +available, and how to install it and configure. And if they don't, +they will read and learn. Because that's our nature. As regular +people's nature is "I don't care how it works, I just want it working +right and quick". + +So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this +"ordinary people". Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and +friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful, +with the right packages. And any advanced user can make "urpmi +my-advanced-packages" whenever he/she needs. + +We need to attract more non-linux users. Because if all Linux distros +have 1% of the market, and we attract just users from other distros, +you only change the way that 1% is distributed. + +My respect to marketing team. + +Regards. + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002422.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2423">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2423">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2423">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2423">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002424.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002424.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6724df32f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002424.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010160929.16280.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002423.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002426.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010160929.16280.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 09:29:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2424">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2424">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2424">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2424">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +I agree with most everything said + +However i must add we should not forget the people to whose i count myself: +Between geek and non computer literate, who use the system for work, no +games, no fancy, but reliability, repairability, and ease of use is +essential. + +Mandriva is perfect for us: easy to set up, powerful and working configuration +tools... well you know it all. +There are actually appearing a range of Linux tech software, here is what i +plan to soon add in my electronic workshop:: <A HREF="http://www.saleae.com/home/,">http://www.saleae.com/home/,</A> +<A HREF="http://spec.de/.">http://spec.de/.</A> I do almost all work in Linux and soon all. Usability and +reliability is what matters for us and Mandriva has it, and so will Mageia, +and it should be marketed like this for this segment. + + + There may be many segments + +A. The masses who only want "a computer" + +B. Serious users that want reliable system and *can* do some system +configuration but no not want to waste too much time on it. System is a work +house, and the user is willing to pay some monetary support, i.e +subscription. + +C. geeks that want to tweak whatever. May want to participate in development. + +D. Server users: combination of B&C + +E. Broad installations in schools and offices: combination of A & B + +F. Game section is special, together with audio/video editing, streaming, +creation etc. Maybe create someting like artistx, possibly by task-gaming, +task-videoedit etc package(s). + + + We need to find some directions for development + +For A: broad hardware support, flash live system, good installers, short +beautiful manual/guide + +For B: Keep on building on drak tools, maintain a wealthy forum and wiki. + +For C: Good system documentation, source code handling, bugzilla, developer +channels, developer apprentice guidance + + +Yes i think we can just head on development from where we forked, but work on +branding, marketing, documentation, communication :) + +Just make sure we technically actually only have one system that is easily +configurable by i.e task-packages! (the packages can not only change what +programs are installed, but also the visual appearance) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2424">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2424">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2424">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2424">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002425.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002425.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a7ec33f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002425.html @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010161125.46012.marcello.anni%40alice.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002430.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002431.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Marcello Anni</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010161125.46012.marcello.anni%40alice.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">marcello.anni at alice.it + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 11:25:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002431.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2425">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2425">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2425">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2425">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> 2010/10/15 Gamaliel Lamboy Rodríguez <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gamalamboy at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > Therefore, the branding for +</I>><i> > them cannot possibly insert Linux or other technical details; it is more +</I>><i> > of a simplified picture of what Free Software is and how we insert +</I>><i> > ourselves into that. This is seen in our Core Values, where the main +</I>><i> > focus is showing people that we are a Community, not a corporation, and +</I>><i> > that we care about our users. On the other side we have the +</I>><i> > intermediate-to-advanced Linux users, which CAN and/or DO choose a Linux +</I>><i> > OS and FOSS Technologies. To these users we can introduce a branding +</I>><i> > that includes our special characteristics in the Linux world and the +</I>><i> > advantages of using our development branch, etc. But Graham's point +</I>><i> > still stands, that we need to define these target markets more fully so +</I>><i> > we can better assess the Mageia reputation in each of them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My opinion is from my POV: I'm a home user, FLOSS enthusiast, curious, +</I>><i> I love computers, love to read, love to learn, love to help in forums, +</I>><i> but in the end, I'm just a regular-guy-not-developer. I work in +</I>><i> nothing related with computers, just an administrative employee. I'm a +</I>><i> dad, I'm a husband. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Said this, I start. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What I see when I navigate Internet is this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are examples of the way other big companies "sell" their +</I>><i> products. They keep it simple. They describe it with simplicity, +</I>><i> non-technical language. Obviously, they are targeting people that know +</I>><i> very little about computers, OS, software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Images are almost always showing mom+dad+kids (or teens) all together, +</I>><i> around the notebook, laughing, enjoying. Or teenagers with their +</I>><i> backpacks, and skates, cool clothes, doing things like chat, listening +</I>><i> music, watching a video, facebook, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My point is that these big companies, exhibit their products with a +</I>><i> "common people" language, showing images of common people, doing +</I>><i> ordinary things. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why? because common people is the people who need to be convinced. +</I>><i> Common people have doubts, maybe they are a little scare about if the +</I>><i> hit a key and a program is erased. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People like all of you and me, know what we want and what we need +</I>><i> (talking about the OS and software and hardware). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know that I can mount a small server with an ordinary Win XP, if I +</I>><i> put in it the right software. The same XP that Microsoft "sell" to +</I>><i> ordinary people with nice images of the family watching Toy Story in +</I>><i> the notebook. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I (and all of you) don't need that a company mounting images of a geek +</I>><i> mounting a server with Gentoo. Because we are not ordinary users. We +</I>><i> need something, we go to Google, we go to forums, we read a lot, we +</I>><i> pick the software we need, we set it up, and we mount whatever satisfy +</I>><i> our need. We're self sufficient. We are "special". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We won't use Mageia because the marketing team convince us. We are +</I>><i> here to build it from the very base. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ordinary people must be convinced by us (or by our marketing team) +</I>><i> that Mageia is easy. That Mageia will not bite them. That they will +</I>><i> watch their movies, talk with their IM friends, listen music, create +</I>><i> their documents, without open a console and type "dark" commands that +</I>><i> they can't understand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We must make "common people" feel comfortable in Mageia. They must +</I>><i> feel joy using their computers with Mageia. To use Mageia must be easy +</I>><i> and pleasurable work/play/hand around with Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, the console will be there for "power users". Packages to +</I>><i> mount a servers will also be there too. But you don't need to create a +</I>><i> big marketing campaign for power users, because they know what is +</I>><i> available, and how to install it and configure. And if they don't, +</I>><i> they will read and learn. Because that's our nature. As regular +</I>><i> people's nature is "I don't care how it works, I just want it working +</I>><i> right and quick". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this +</I>><i> "ordinary people". Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and +</I>><i> friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful, +</I>><i> with the right packages. And any advanced user can make "urpmi +</I>><i> my-advanced-packages" whenever he/she needs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We need to attract more non-linux users. Because if all Linux distros +</I>><i> have 1% of the market, and we attract just users from other distros, +</I>><i> you only change the way that 1% is distributed. +</I> ++1 +><i> +</I>><i> My respect to marketing team. +</I> +thanks : ) +><i> +</I>><i> Regards. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</I> + +cheers, +Marcello +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002431.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2425">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2425">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2425">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2425">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002426.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002426.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3a09145d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002426.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010161129.10051.marcello.anni%40alice.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002424.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002427.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Marcello Anni</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010161129.10051.marcello.anni%40alice.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">marcello.anni at alice.it + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 11:29:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2426">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2426">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2426">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2426">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with most everything said +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However i must add we should not forget the people to whose i count myself: +</I>><i> Between geek and non computer literate, who use the system for work, no +</I>><i> games, no fancy, but reliability, repairability, and ease of use is +</I>><i> essential. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mandriva is perfect for us: easy to set up, powerful and working +</I>configuration +><i> tools... well you know it all. +</I>><i> There are actually appearing a range of Linux tech software, here is what i +</I>><i> plan to soon add in my electronic workshop:: <A HREF="http://www.saleae.com/home/,">http://www.saleae.com/home/,</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://spec.de/.">http://spec.de/.</A> I do almost all work in Linux and soon all. Usability and +</I>><i> reliability is what matters for us and Mandriva has it, and so will Mageia, +</I>><i> and it should be marketed like this for this segment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There may be many segments +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A. The masses who only want "a computer" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> B. Serious users that want reliable system and *can* do some system +</I>><i> configuration but no not want to waste too much time on it. System is a work +</I>><i> house, and the user is willing to pay some monetary support, i.e +</I>><i> subscription. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> C. geeks that want to tweak whatever. May want to participate in +</I>development. +><i> +</I>><i> D. Server users: combination of B&C +</I>><i> +</I>><i> E. Broad installations in schools and offices: combination of A & B +</I>><i> +</I>><i> F. Game section is special, together with audio/video editing, streaming, +</I>><i> creation etc. Maybe create someting like artistx, possibly by task-gaming, +</I>><i> task-videoedit etc package(s). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We need to find some directions for development +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For A: broad hardware support, flash live system, good installers, short +</I>><i> beautiful manual/guide +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For B: Keep on building on drak tools, maintain a wealthy forum and wiki. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For C: Good system documentation, source code handling, bugzilla, developer +</I>><i> channels, developer apprentice guidance +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes i think we can just head on development from where we forked, but work +</I>on +><i> branding, marketing, documentation, communication :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just make sure we technically actually only have one system that is easily +</I>><i> configurable by i.e task-packages! (the packages can not only change what +</I>><i> programs are installed, but also the visual appearance) +</I> + +interesting... graham, can we add this to Target Market page? + + +Marcello +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2426">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2426">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2426">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2426">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002427.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002427.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc9aec1e7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002427.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9ce42%247fd%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002426.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002428.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9ce42%247fd%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 16:50:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2427">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2427">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2427">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2427">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-16 05:29, Marcello Anni a écrit : +>><i> +</I>>><i> I agree with most everything said +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> However i must add we should not forget the people to whose i count myself: +</I>>><i> Between geek and non computer literate, who use the system for work, no +</I>>><i> games, no fancy, but reliability, repairability, and ease of use is +</I>>><i> essential. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Mandriva is perfect for us: easy to set up, powerful and working +</I>><i> configuration +</I>>><i> tools... well you know it all. +</I>>><i> There are actually appearing a range of Linux tech software, here is what i +</I>>><i> plan to soon add in my electronic workshop:: <A HREF="http://www.saleae.com/home/,">http://www.saleae.com/home/,</A> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://spec.de/.">http://spec.de/.</A> I do almost all work in Linux and soon all. Usability and +</I>>><i> reliability is what matters for us and Mandriva has it, and so will Mageia, +</I>>><i> and it should be marketed like this for this segment. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> There may be many segments +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A. The masses who only want "a computer" +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> B. Serious users that want reliable system and *can* do some system +</I>>><i> configuration but no not want to waste too much time on it. System is a work +</I>>><i> house, and the user is willing to pay some monetary support, i.e +</I>>><i> subscription. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> C. geeks that want to tweak whatever. May want to participate in +</I>><i> development. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> D. Server users: combination of B&C +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> E. Broad installations in schools and offices: combination of A& B +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> F. Game section is special, together with audio/video editing, streaming, +</I>>><i> creation etc. Maybe create someting like artistx, possibly by task-gaming, +</I>>><i> task-videoedit etc package(s). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We need to find some directions for development +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For A: broad hardware support, flash live system, good installers, short +</I>>><i> beautiful manual/guide +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For B: Keep on building on drak tools, maintain a wealthy forum and wiki. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For C: Good system documentation, source code handling, bugzilla, developer +</I>>><i> channels, developer apprentice guidance +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes i think we can just head on development from where we forked, but work +</I>><i> on +</I>>><i> branding, marketing, documentation, communication :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Just make sure we technically actually only have one system that is easily +</I>>><i> configurable by i.e task-packages! (the packages can not only change what +</I>>><i> programs are installed, but also the visual appearance) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> interesting... graham, can we add this to Target Market page? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marcello +</I>><i> +</I> +We have covered most of these (if not more) on the marketing wiki group +section. I will take a look at it again to make sure. But, yes, we have +covered these. + +Marc +Marketing team member + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2427">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2427">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2427">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2427">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002428.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002428.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b42d8d096 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002428.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB9C3A8.8080407%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002427.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002429.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB9C3A8.8080407%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 17:24:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2428">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2428">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2428">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2428">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/16/2010 09:29 AM, Morgan Leijström wrote: +><i> I agree with most everything said +</I>Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion! + +I cant keep my tong away from my cheek - sorry. The real point for my +reply is: I am getting more and more confused with the ultimate goal +pursued by Mageia: + +- (1) Does Mageia define its profile and then develops sales arguments +for how to sell the distro? +or +- (2) Does Mageia make a list of sales arguments and then designs the +distro that goes with these arguments? + +Probably it is a mix of both - but there should be a clear priority. I +had understood Mageia to be a community distro, i.e. no question, (1): +shape the distro according to the needs of the community - and then (OK, +plan beforehand) see how to hook more "customers". I believe in the +solidity of the community behind Mageia and its opinions - what this +community judges right has a large probability of being "right" - why +forget this achievement and base judgement on opportunity (afraid, my +tong again ...) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2428">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2428">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2428">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2428">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002429.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002429.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..311004786 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002429.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9cgr3%24n2h%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002428.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002430.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9cgr3%24n2h%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 17:37:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2429">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2429">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2429">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2429">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-16 11:24, Juergen Harms a écrit : +><i> On 10/16/2010 09:29 AM, Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>><i> I agree with most everything said +</I>><i> Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I cant keep my tong away from my cheek - sorry. The real point for my +</I>><i> reply is: I am getting more and more confused with the ultimate goal +</I>><i> pursued by Mageia: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - (1) Does Mageia define its profile and then develops sales arguments +</I>><i> for how to sell the distro? +</I>><i> or +</I>><i> - (2) Does Mageia make a list of sales arguments and then designs the +</I>><i> distro that goes with these arguments? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Probably it is a mix of both - but there should be a clear priority. I +</I>><i> had understood Mageia to be a community distro, i.e. no question, (1): +</I>><i> shape the distro according to the needs of the community - and then (OK, +</I>><i> plan beforehand) see how to hook more "customers". I believe in the +</I>><i> solidity of the community behind Mageia and its opinions - what this +</I>><i> community judges right has a large probability of being "right" - why +</I>><i> forget this achievement and base judgement on opportunity (afraid, my +</I>><i> tong again ...) +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks for your note. You are absolutely correct. + +We are just in the planning stages of the marketing philosophy, so these +discussions are important feedback for the Mageia marketing team. We are +lurking the user/dev discussion groups and trying to pick up feedback as +well as asking questions to the community to gauge community expectations. + +We have to keep in mind that everything has to keep in line with our +values <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> posted on the site. + +It is a community distro and everyone's opinion counts. + +Tell us what you feel. We need to hear your opinions. + +Marc +Marketing Team Member + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2429">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2429">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2429">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2429">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002430.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002430.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ac4e0793c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002430.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010161747.03505.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002429.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002425.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010161747.03505.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 17:47:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2430">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2430">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2430">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2430">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Den 2010-10-16 17:24:24 skrev Juergen Harms: +><i> On 10/16/2010 09:29 AM, Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>><i> > I agree with most everything said +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion! +</I> +Right. My bad wording +I meant I can understand points from different viewports, althoug i weigh some +more than other. +Umm... now i probably confused you even more ;) +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2430">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2430">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2430">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2430">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002431.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002431.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..43558da70 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/002431.html @@ -0,0 +1,164 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C20101016152601.1f18b1fc.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002425.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C20101016152601.1f18b1fc.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 16 22:26:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2431">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2431">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2431">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2431">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:16:50 -0300 +Gustavo Giampaoli <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + + +><i> My opinion is from my POV: I'm a home user, FLOSS enthusiast, curious, +</I>><i> I love computers, love to read, love to learn, love to help in forums, +</I>><i> but in the end, I'm just a regular-guy-not-developer. I work in +</I>><i> nothing related with computers, just an administrative employee. I'm a +</I>><i> dad, I'm a husband. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Said this, I start. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What I see when I navigate Internet is this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are examples of the way other big companies "sell" their +</I>><i> products. They keep it simple. They describe it with simplicity, +</I>><i> non-technical language. Obviously, they are targeting people that know +</I>><i> very little about computers, OS, software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Images are almost always showing mom+dad+kids (or teens) all together, +</I>><i> around the notebook, laughing, enjoying. Or teenagers with their +</I>><i> backpacks, and skates, cool clothes, doing things like chat, listening +</I>><i> music, watching a video, facebook, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My point is that these big companies, exhibit their products with a +</I>><i> "common people" language, showing images of common people, doing +</I>><i> ordinary things. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why? because common people is the people who need to be convinced. +</I>><i> Common people have doubts, maybe they are a little scare about if the +</I>><i> hit a key and a program is erased. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People like all of you and me, know what we want and what we need +</I>><i> (talking about the OS and software and hardware). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know that I can mount a small server with an ordinary Win XP, if I +</I>><i> put in it the right software. The same XP that Microsoft "sell" to +</I>><i> ordinary people with nice images of the family watching Toy Story in +</I>><i> the notebook. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I (and all of you) don't need that a company mounting images of a geek +</I>><i> mounting a server with Gentoo. Because we are not ordinary users. We +</I>><i> need something, we go to Google, we go to forums, we read a lot, we +</I>><i> pick the software we need, we set it up, and we mount whatever satisfy +</I>><i> our need. We're self sufficient. We are "special". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We won't use Mageia because the marketing team convince us. We are +</I>><i> here to build it from the very base. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ordinary people must be convinced by us (or by our marketing team) +</I>><i> that Mageia is easy. That Mageia will not bite them. That they will +</I>><i> watch their movies, talk with their IM friends, listen music, create +</I>><i> their documents, without open a console and type "dark" commands that +</I>><i> they can't understand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We must make "common people" feel comfortable in Mageia. They must +</I>><i> feel joy using their computers with Mageia. To use Mageia must be easy +</I>><i> and pleasurable work/play/hand around with Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, the console will be there for "power users". Packages to +</I>><i> mount a servers will also be there too. But you don't need to create a +</I>><i> big marketing campaign for power users, because they know what is +</I>><i> available, and how to install it and configure. And if they don't, +</I>><i> they will read and learn. Because that's our nature. As regular +</I>><i> people's nature is "I don't care how it works, I just want it working +</I>><i> right and quick". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this +</I>><i> "ordinary people". Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and +</I>><i> friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful, +</I>><i> with the right packages. And any advanced user can make "urpmi +</I>><i> my-advanced-packages" whenever he/she needs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We need to attract more non-linux users. Because if all Linux distros +</I>><i> have 1% of the market, and we attract just users from other distros, +</I>><i> you only change the way that 1% is distributed. +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree with this POV, Our main goal must be capture as many as possible non-linux users, no cannibalize the same linux users from other distros. + +I think we need to do many things in new and different ways. We take risks, try things that have not been tested yet. + +What should we do? Whatever it takes! (According to our values) + +Ubuntu a few years ago was born with a fixed idea, at first everyone said that this would accomplish nothing. Over the years that distribution has become the most popular, despite all objections, has contributed like no other to increase knowledge and use of Linux. (Please before to reply against that read it well, personally I'm not promoting Ubuntu or it's way, I'm only write about facts) + +If we look back we see that the same happened with the Mac, and even further back in time to the PC itself did something similar. + +Recent history is full of examples: the Model T, the seat belt, Aspirin and of course Viagra, are some of them. + +As well as here, at the dev mail list there are a large thread about changes. IMHO it is happen because inside the community there are thoughts on necessary new way. + +We are a fork from Mandriva, we aren't a clone. For this reason we are try to take the best of our "mother" and as the childes all over the world at any time, we want to improve our own way. + +Again IMHO our main goal should be increase the base of new users, and we must do into Mageia. + +Regards from Mexico + +Fernando +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2431">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2431">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2431">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2431">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86b452188 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101016/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 16 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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