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In these days of online build services there is +</I>><i> > arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on +</I>><i> > different media for different markets and completely different branding +</I>><i> > for each set. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> oh but there is... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> developer base, testers, QA, Mirroring infra. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> simply rebuilding a package does not mean that it actually works. +</I> +Fair comment and as I said It is outside my area of expertise so while I see +it as desirable at the end of the day there aren't the resources then shelve +the idea + + +><i> +</I>><i> > How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number +</I>><i> > of computer users and you will see that the "one size fits all" does not +</I>><i> > equal significant market share. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast +</I>><i> > majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it +</I>><i> > by default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious +</I>><i> > reasons, it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of +</I>><i> > reliability and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo +</I>><i> > design is aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in +</I>><i> > this group and to whom "Gulls" = Freedom. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined +</I>><i> > outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the +</I>><i> > combined user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is +</I>><i> > down to marketing on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most +</I>><i> > active, marketing group in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and +</I>><i> > Mozilla, most of whom are paid and have a budget. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ignoring the Linux userbase for now, OpenOffice usage on MS side is +</I>><i> chosen on three merits: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. its free (economy) +</I>><i> 2. it works as intended (need) +</I>><i> 3. its open source (ideology) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And the two first ones are the biggest reason obviously. +</I> +All true, but without people pumping out press releases, hammering the social +media, attending events, getting it onto Magazine cds, running campaigns and +all that unpopular marketing stuff, those people wouldn't have known that they +had a choice. We have pushed it the point now where MS are actively +campaigning against us, it's brilliant, it means we're hurting them. + + +><i> +</I>><i> > We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I +</I>><i> > don't dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't +</I>><i> > dismiss what I say as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to +</I>><i> > back it up. Your "feelings" don't count as a logical counter argument. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I don't "fear", I _know_ from experience and research that a "One Size +</I>><i> > Fits All" Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah, we can never please all, thats true, but we must also be careful +</I>><i> to not be "too narrow" as it also "kills" the product +</I> +Here I respectfully disagree, it kills the product in certain market segments, +certainly + +><i> +</I>><i> > As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male +</I>><i> > and female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all +</I>><i> > religions and all social groupings and all job types and all locations +</I>><i> > and localities, young, old teenaged and middleaged, technologically +</I>><i> > educated and illiterate. How would you present Mageia to all these +</I>><i> > vastly different groups of people? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Its Linux! Anything anywhere! Whatever you need, we got it! :) +</I> +Heh, that's the point, it's not Linux, it's Mageia, if it was only about linux +there would be no point, there's plenty of Linux out there already + +><i> +</I>><i> > Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: "This group of people could +</I>><i> > materially benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology +</I>><i> > platform, let's communicate with them in a way that they can relate to." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts +</I>><i> of the community. +</I> +I think you miss the point here, this statement applies to any predefined +group, that could be developers, why should communicating with one group +alienate another. All I'm saying is that we need to communicate and we need +to shape that communication to the particular audience. + +><i> +</I>><i> Remember, Mageia _is_ a Community distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Thomas +</I> +Indeed + +Cheers +GL +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Moderator New Zealand +www.theingots.org.nz + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002387.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2386">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2386">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2386">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2386">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |