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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Olav Dahlum</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BCooker%5D%20Re%3A%20Transparency%20%26%20open%20invitation%20to%0A%20a%20united%20foundation..%3F%20%5BWas%3A%20forking%20mandriva%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C4C9976E6.1%40broadpark.no%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">odahlum at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Sep 22 05:24:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from +</I>>>><i> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken, +</I>>>><i> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices - +</I>>>><i> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly +</I>>>><i> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I +</I>>>><i> don't see this over there at this time. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> blog post is empty to me). +</I>>><i> I completly agree with this. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management +</I>>><i> anymore, I've lost any trust in them. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Nicolas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad +</I>><i> feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should +</I>><i> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would +</I>><i> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make +</I>><i> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between +</I>><i> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could +</I>><i> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration +</I>><i> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like +</I>><i> a vendetta than a constructive initiative. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Jostein Hauge (jess) +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-discuss mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A> +</I> +Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of +the community and create a stable environment in which we can work. +I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in +the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it +all over again. +If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I +think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop +into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community +based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same +goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this. +The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of +more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva +could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and +Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial +situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of +the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each +others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common +development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the +company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the +good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of +the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing +their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for +their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave +if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent +people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so +keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering +between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage +both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating +FLOSS software. + +Sincerely, + +Olav Dahlum +- Finding solutions to problems since last month.. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#641">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#641">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#641">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#641">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |