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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?<br>
+According to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone<br>
+objects if I grab/update it as well?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1454</a><br>
+Hotplug works, coldplug doesn&#39;t, so I guess something goes wrong with udev. Updating packages to newer versions needs to be done and help with that is welcome, but we also need to fix reported problems.<br></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>I think that updating udev could fix it as well, there were many different changes all around..<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+Unrelated: AFAIK you are registered as maintainer of both system-config-printer and hplip in mandriva linux, maybe you want to apply <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/<u></u>packages/cauldron/hplip/<u></u>current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=<u></u>106333&amp;r2=106663</a> there to fix an old bug which mageia inherited.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br>Nope, I am not cups nor hplip maintainer, I had to give up on them because I don&#39;t have any printers around to do any testing at all :(.<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?<br>
+According to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone<br>
+objects if I grab/update it as well?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1454</a><br>
+Hotplug works, coldplug doesn&#39;t, so I guess something goes wrong with udev. Updating packages to newer versions needs to be done and help with that is welcome, but we also need to fix reported problems.<br></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>I think that updating udev could fix it as well, there were many different changes all around..<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+Unrelated: AFAIK you are registered as maintainer of both system-config-printer and hplip in mandriva linux, maybe you want to apply <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/<u></u>packages/cauldron/hplip/<u></u>current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=<u></u>106333&amp;r2=106663</a> there to fix an old bug which mageia inherited.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br>Nope, I am not cups nor hplip maintainer, I had to give up on them because I don&#39;t have any printers around to do any testing at all :(.<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:37, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile<br>
+&gt; plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the<br>
+&gt; moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+</div>Well for cauldron nm-mdv is not available at all because nm 0.9 is quite<br>
+different than 0.8. From a fast look i guess it should not be too difficult to<br>
+adapt your patch starting from the fedora/redhat plugin .<br>
+Regarding a total switch to nm, if i&#39;m not wrong the most problematic part is<br>
+the installer integration.<br>
+Maybe it&#39;s possible to adapt our draktools to edit/drop files directly in<br>
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ if we&#39;re sticking with the native<br>
+plugin (keyfile).<br></blockquote><div><br>I actually vote for keyfile plugin, because it is most stable and upstream. NM-mdv would be the best solution if it would be incorporated upstream, but it still needs lots of work to get there.<br>
+
+<br>One big issue with NM only by default is the installation via boot.iso and similar methods, and also overall installation via network - while it is certainly possible to configure networkmanager from the console, it is by no means easy. This was not the case for Mandriva desktop, but I believe that it is one nice feature to have in Mageia. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:37, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile<br>
+&gt; plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the<br>
+&gt; moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+</div>Well for cauldron nm-mdv is not available at all because nm 0.9 is quite<br>
+different than 0.8. From a fast look i guess it should not be too difficult to<br>
+adapt your patch starting from the fedora/redhat plugin .<br>
+Regarding a total switch to nm, if i&#39;m not wrong the most problematic part is<br>
+the installer integration.<br>
+Maybe it&#39;s possible to adapt our draktools to edit/drop files directly in<br>
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ if we&#39;re sticking with the native<br>
+plugin (keyfile).<br></blockquote><div><br>I actually vote for keyfile plugin, because it is most stable and upstream. NM-mdv would be the best solution if it would be incorporated upstream, but it still needs lots of work to get there.<br>
+
+<br>One big issue with NM only by default is the installation via boot.iso and similar methods, and also overall installation via network - while it is certainly possible to configure networkmanager from the console, it is by no means easy. This was not the case for Mandriva desktop, but I believe that it is one nice feature to have in Mageia. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:04, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2011/7/14 JA Magallón &lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+&gt;&gt; This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+&gt;&gt; networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+&gt;&gt; NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+&gt;&gt; system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+&gt;&gt; discussion ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion<br>
+&gt; :).<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>We can probably keep some compatibility (like the sysvinit/systemd<br>
+duality).<br></blockquote><div><br>This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:04, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2011/7/14 JA Magallón &lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+&gt;&gt; This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+&gt;&gt; networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+&gt;&gt; NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+&gt;&gt; system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+&gt;&gt; discussion ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion<br>
+&gt; :).<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>We can probably keep some compatibility (like the sysvinit/systemd<br>
+duality).<br></blockquote><div><br>This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use<br>
+&gt; it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my<br>
+&gt; machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).<br>
+<br>
+</div>&gt;<br>Well, IMO (for what it matters) I&#39;m massive for using it ASAP!<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br><div>
+Ok, systemd 30 is in svn, and (apparently) working, at least on my machine.<br>
+<br>
+However, as I will have a limited Internet connection between tomorrow
+and next week, I am not feeling that safe to send it to cooker. So if
+someone (colin?) would be able to do some additional testing with it
+before submitting, it would be great :).<br clear="all">
+</div></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use<br>
+&gt; it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my<br>
+&gt; machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).<br>
+<br>
+</div>&gt;<br>Well, IMO (for what it matters) I&#39;m massive for using it ASAP!<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br><div>
+Ok, systemd 30 is in svn, and (apparently) working, at least on my machine.<br>
+<br>
+However, as I will have a limited Internet connection between tomorrow
+and next week, I am not feeling that safe to send it to cooker. So if
+someone (colin?) would be able to do some additional testing with it
+before submitting, it would be great :).<br clear="all">
+</div></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall<br>
+sysvinit? Isn&#39;t it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for<br>
+/sbin/init?<br></blockquote><div><br>This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives, thanks, I haven&#39;t thought on that!  <br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall<br>
+sysvinit? Isn&#39;t it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for<br>
+/sbin/init?<br></blockquote><div><br>This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives, thanks, I haven&#39;t thought on that!  <br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/14 JA Magallón <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+discussion ?<br></blockquote><div><br>I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion :). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/14 JA Magallón <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+discussion ?<br></blockquote><div><br>I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion :). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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