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This I call a majority. +</I>><i> During the 8 months since we have this issue I read lots of complaints +</I>><i> about the limitation, I did not read any post in favor of it. This is +</I>><i> what I call a majority. +</I> +I don't. + +There are a forum thread and a bug report with a lot of harsh words, and +only a minority of the Mageia community participated. It is possible +that the angry majority there has the same opinion as the real majority, +but we don't know yet. + + +><i> In an election or a poll (a democratic process) how much weight do +</I>><i> those have who do not give their vote? In every election there is a +</I>><i> number of people who do not vote, either because they don't care or +</I>><i> none of the given options is to their liking. But I haven't seen an +</I>><i> election or poll where the "silent" number was counted in favor for +</I>><i> one side or the other. So, if you are talking about the silent +</I>><i> majority I can ask you rightfully, on which side the silent majority +</I>><i> would be. +</I>><i> +</I>I was not clear, sorry. + +IMHO, if every Mageia community member had received an invitation to +vote in a virtual polling station, seperated from the emotional forum +thread about the issue, there would have been a lot more votes. + +* It is well known that people can vote differently when there votes are +seen then when they are not seen. +* Also a thread where such harsh words are said, makes some people run +away, and others reluctant to say what they think, for fear everything +might escalate further. +* Apart from that, there are community members who never were aware this +thread was there +* and others were, but didn't know it was the place to vote. + +Of course I don't know what outcome a proper democratic voting would +have given. +>>><i> I guess you agree that those principles where written with the spirit +</I>>>><i> of democracy behind it all - so you agree also that those declarations +</I>>>><i> do not say that one has the right to force his opinion on all others. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Of course not. Funny that you seem to think maât did that, I didn't see him +</I>>><i> force anyone to use the forum as it is. +</I>><i> Then you think that his behavior is ok and everybody who doesn't like +</I>><i> it can leave? That is not funny. It is against all that Mageia stands +</I>><i> for. +</I>><i> I think we do not have different opinions, we are living in different worlds. +</I>><i> +</I> +I think that if a real majority wants a forum with unlimited edit time, +that we should have it. + +My point is, that Maât isn't our slave, we can't force him to do it, never. + +So then it would be necessary to look for someone else to take Maât's +place. + +I hope that if that happens, we'll at least manage to be nice to him and +thank him for the work he has done. + + + + + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011293.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="010882.html">[Mageia-dev] Significant decrease of installed packages for a minimal installation +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11296">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11296">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11296">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11296">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |