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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] please stop doing &quot;bugs&quot; for updating magia 1</H1>
+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+ <I>Thu Jan 12 10:05:34 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:05:53 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500
+</I>&gt;<i> Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; *that* particular bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So let me repeat myself from two messages above (!):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
+</I>&gt;<i> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs to the distro's tracker.&#8221;
+</I>
+Why not?
+
+IMHO, a user who experiences a bug has two effective paths they can follow to
+get a bugfix:
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+1)File a bug with the distribution, and have the distribution worry about
+reporting or fixing the bug and providing an update
+
+2)File a bug upstream, when the bug is fixed uptream, file a bug with the
+distributor, referencing the upstream bug
+
+An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means the
+user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the
+distribution.
+
+If you just want every new piece of software as soon as possible, you should
+run Cauldron.
+
+If you believe every bugfix-only-release from every piece of software should
+be pushed out by distributions, can you clarify:
+1)Why users who are not affected by some obscure bug (e.g. typo in a man page
+they will never read) should be forced to download unnecessary packages (at
+high cost in some cases)
+2)How you will identify all upstreams which have a good history of bugfix-only
+releases, and how you will automate the selection of these packages to go to
+updates, and how you will streamline this process through QA.
+
+Anyway, you seem to be of the assumption that all the contributors to the
+distribution you are using have so much more time on their hands than you do,
+while in actual fact I believe almost all contributors are *very* contstrained
+on time. If you don't think it is worth your time to help out, why should we
+waste time (which could be used to ensure the next release has all bugfixes)
+on new bugfix releases we don't need?
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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