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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/1/6 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/1/6 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 January 2012 12:27, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is a well known issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> determine which packages are really not needed anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Lately &#160;this --auto-orphans line shreddered my whole system on a fresh
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install after the first update, several system services could not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> start at next reboot, applications did not run, etc. One of the very
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> few times I had to re-install because of a bug. Call me newbie or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pussy but until this is not a secure function I will never touch it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is just a bogus claim:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If some apps break after removing orphan packages, they'll break too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after manually removing such packages, meaning they lack some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requires...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, right, I'd not remove such packages manually - they were marked
+</I>&gt;<i> as orphans and removed by the function - which is my claim.
+</I>
+To make it clear - my claim is that the orphan function marked
+packages as orphans which are needed and which I'd never remove
+manually. If you have a list of 100 &quot;orphans&quot; it is next to impossible
+for a normal user to sit down and check each and every package if it
+is really an orphan (orphan in the sense of &quot;not needed&quot;).
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