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Solbu at 08/12/12 10:37 did gyre and gimble: +</I>>>><i> On Saturday 8. December 2012 11.06, Guillaume Rousse wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> Unless I misunderstand, adding it to «task-obsolete» does the same thing, with a 2 week delay on deleting. +</I>>>>>><i> So the proper action would be to add it to «task-obsolete». +</I>>>>><i> That's still not the proper action. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In other words, I did misunderstand. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Stop removing packages from end +</I>>>>><i> user machines just to remove them from the mirrors as a side effect of +</I>>>>><i> our package submission procedure. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So what should we do? +</I>>>><i> The current packaging guidelines[1] says that this is the correct action for obsolete packages, which a depcrecated package is. +</I>>>><i> If this is not the desired solution, then the guidelines should change. Perhaps just clairfied as to what is an obsolete package, which belongs in task-obsolete, and what is Not an obsolete package even if it's deprecated. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Obsoleting_a_package">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Obsoleting_a_package</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I totally agree with Johnny here. If users want to keep unmaintained and +</I>>><i> no-longer-supplied packages on their machine (obviously making a +</I>>><i> concious decision to not get security updates etc. on such packages) +</I>>><i> then they are welcome to add task-obsolete to their urpmi skip lists. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I see absolutely no problem with this and I don't consider this +</I>>><i> something that's done as a "side effect", rather it's a quite deliberate +</I>>><i> and concious mechanism to remove no longer supported packages from a +</I>>><i> users machine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One of the problem with task-obsolete obsoleting packages is that it can +</I>><i> silently uninstall packages and break something which was working, +</I>><i> without warning. +</I> +I don't disagree, but by the same token if a user is advanced enough to +use such things with stuff they have installed manually, then chances +are they're advanced enough to uninstall and block task-obsolete too. +The fact that there is no-warning is certainly not ideal, but I doubt it +would be an actual real problem to many users anyway. And it's not like +they can't just find a mirror with the package they had installed and +reinstall it again anyway when they notice it breaks things. Not ideal I +agree, but all the same, not terrible either. + +><i> Maybe instead of obsoleting packages, task-obsolete could conflict with +</I>><i> those packages : +</I> +Could it obsolete *and* conflict packages and get the best of both +worlds? If that was the case it should work both from a UI level and +also from a structural (i.e. repository) level. + +If that works, then we just define a simple macro at the top of the spec +and use it throughout: + +%kill foo +%kill wibble + +etc. which automatically adds both the conflicts and the obsoletes tags. + +><i> Or we can stop using task-obsolete package, and instead create a file +</I>><i> "unsupported" in media_info directory on the mirrors containing a list +</I>><i> of unsupported packages, and used by urpmq/urpme --unsupported to +</I>><i> list/remove unsupported packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you think ? +</I> +That would work too (although "urpmq --not-available" is almost the same +as that anyway really and doesn't need a specific list). + +The problem still to be solved here however, is allowing packagers easy +access to the process of doing the tidying without having to rely on +someone from sysadmin manually doing some intervention. + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="020714.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: ruby-ParseTree +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="020716.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: ruby-ParseTree +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#20713">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#20713">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#20713">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#20713">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |