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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] latest kernels not powering off machines on shutdown</H1>
+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+ <I>Thu Aug 9 21:52:20 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 9 August 2012 21:31, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 09/08/12 20:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes because it totally makes sense to have a command to halt the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> operating system but leave the machine using some power for nothing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and preventing you from powering it on with wol). I am sure someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> believes it can be useful in some strange scenario.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very useful and it was essential for me during the previous release
+</I>&gt;<i> to debug shutdown logic.
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+That's off topic.
+We hide kernel messages on boot despite them being usefull for debugging
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+And for end users, it's horrible: they think the computer is frozen.
+If they didn't press &lt;escape&gt; before, they've no way to understand what
+happen!
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+&gt;<i> I want to see and read the debug that happens here and with a regular
+</I>&gt;<i> poweroff the debug disappears before you can read it. It's maybe not
+</I>&gt;<i> something you want to use regularly, but it doesn't mean it's not
+</I>&gt;<i> useful. There were always &quot;poweroff&quot; and &quot;halt&quot; commands - the names
+</I>&gt;<i> speak for themselves, it's just people got used to broken behaviour in
+</I>&gt;<i> the past. If you want to power your machine down, just type &quot;poweroff&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to halt it, then type &quot;halt&quot;. Kinda self explanatory really.
+</I>&gt;<i> Use the right tool for the right job :)
+</I>
+Yet it's again 12 years of pratice, against documentation on internet
+and the like
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