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I'll test again with latest cauldron updates. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003722.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3719">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3719">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3719">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3719">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003720.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003720.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..191e510ac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003720.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim0gKYzCHeV_2fHy85hBx_wV9ixgLxCArXOR4x2%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003729.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003728.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim0gKYzCHeV_2fHy85hBx_wV9ixgLxCArXOR4x2%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 05:49:32 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003729.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? 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It is +</I>>><i> not "the purists" vs. "the realists", or some other caricatural +</I>>><i> reduction of reality. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The labeling was for typographical convenience, simply a way to +</I>><i> differentiate one camp in this discussion from the other, and was pretty +</I>><i> obviously not a part of the intrinsic arguments. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm on neither side in this; my interest is in having the install +</I>><i> support wireless networking, which has nothing to do with whether there +</I>><i> is one ISO or two. All the necessary files are already in the distro, I +</I>><i> just want the install to use them if they're available. That is not a +</I>><i> FLOSS/non-FLOSS/sorta-FLOSS issue. I install cooker/cauldron only, and I +</I>><i> haven't installed from an ISO since I got involved with cooker except as +</I>><i> an occasional test. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't care how many ISOs there are, or whether the installer gets +</I>><i> these files from the moon. I just figure I have a better chance of +</I>><i> seeing this implemented if I point out that two ISOs steps on as few +</I>><i> toes as possible, given the current contents of the DVDs. If you want to +</I>><i> take up cudgels about merging them for an additional 1% or so of user +</I>><i> experience, be my guest. +</I> + From what you say, there are not a lot of points of disagreement +between us, on this issue. +We both have contributed to open source for a long time, you apparently +mostly on developement/packaging, myself mostly translating/ aide in +forums, with some contributions to development. (Currently an +apprentice packager.) + +You find 2 isos a minor inconvenience, but in practice normally install +online, from cooker/cauldron. + +Myself, I find a single DVD that contains everything I need to get a +fully working system (in terms of hardware/drivers) a major convenience, +and do not have the luxury of the bandwidth necessary to install from +the internet. +I don't know if you have ever installed from Mandriva's 3-cd set, but +juggling 3 cds on installing a package is a hassle that I very much +prefer to avoid. One iso is great. + +As well, I appreciate very much the ability to do a complete, fully +working reinstall without internet access. +(To facilitate this, I keep packages installed from sources other than +the DVD in a separate partition.) + +The single DVD is not only useful for myself. It is handy to promote +Linux as well. Unfortunately, with missing firmware and drivers, the +DVD will not fully work on many systems. And new users prefer a +_single_ iso that just works. Having to juggle isos is a deterant. + +On the question of space on the DVD, you must admit that all the +(non-free) firmware and drivers (not already included) would not take an +enormous amount of space. +Note that on the Mandriva 2010.2 DVD, for example, the 2 biggest games +take about 100 M and 40 M repectively. +It is simply a matter of priorities. + +In sum, it is easy to understand your point of view, as you don't +(normally) use isos. +Please understand the point of view of those who do, particularly those +who have serious bandwidth restrictions. + +<aside> +There are others who militate for a "free-only" DVD, but seem to be +unaware that no distro contains only "free" software, not even Fedora. +Just as no distro runs on "free/non-proprietary" hardware. +</aside> + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003728.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003723.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3721">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3721">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3721">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3721">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003722.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003722.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..84aeb2a3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003722.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lxde%20under%20gdm%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimbsr0xPG1egboPV63mXPaBJCvw5kn3QGrJaMOQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003719.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003726.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?</H1> + <B>David Pernot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lxde%20under%20gdm%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimbsr0xPG1egboPV63mXPaBJCvw5kn3QGrJaMOQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?">dpernot at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 08:51:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003719.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003726.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3722">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3722">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3722">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3722">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I had this issue too, yesterday after my daily upgrade. +I cleant my ~/.config dir and all went fine again. + +David + +2011/3/26 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work +</I>>><i> in conjunction with GDM ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it +</I>>><i> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I +</I>>><i> thought I'd ask the obvious question. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003719.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003726.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3722">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3722">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3722">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3722">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003723.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003723.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c5c29424e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003723.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%20%3D%3Fiso-8859-1%3Fq%3FFwd%3D3A_%3D5BRPM%3D5D_cauldron_core/update%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Fiso-8859-1%3Fq%3Fs%3D5Ftesting%3D09clementine-0%3D2E6-5%3D2Emga1%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C201103260944.07398.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Saying it's arbitrary because +</I>><i> it comes out of packagers' experience is a tad extreme. Saying that +</I>><i> "restricts freedoms of users" is clearly excessive here. Again, it's +</I>><i> not as if it was a closed product: users can open the box and package +</I>><i> stuff too (ah yes, it's not dead obvious to do so, but that's +</I>><i> something we can aim to improve in the coming years). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What will come out of Mageia, in June, won't satisfy everyone. Choices +</I>><i> will have been done. A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no +</I>><i> to something. Implying that this would "restrict freedoms of users" +</I>><i> would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this +</I>><i> is an open source project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's not to say that people will just have to help themselves, we +</I>><i> expect to make something cool and useful, but we're not going to say +</I>><i> "yes!" to everything and everyone either. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> In the early days a 'contrib' repo was suggested for not officially +</I>>><i> supported packages (I was for that idea too), this would be a good +</I>>><i> situation where a 'contrib' repo would solve this matter for everyone. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please open a bug for that if you think it's worth discussing it again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +Isn't there a repo just for testing packages ? (Maybe "people" or +"software" ?) +Maybe if they use that they'll feel a little less "demotivated". +And maybe once their project is stable, qt3-devel could be considered +just for building their package, until they switch to qt4 ? +Just some ideas ... + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003731.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003725.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3724">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3724">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3724">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3724">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003725.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003725.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a52b9c6c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003725.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110326121910.GC23929%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003724.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003727.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110326121910.GC23929%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 13:19:10 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003727.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3725">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3725">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3725">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3725">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:33:04AM +0100, Tux99 wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that +</I>><i> > its +</I>><i> > actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like +</I>><i> > (almost) part of the hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions the +</I>><i> fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware or +</I>><i> microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards and +</I>><i> peripherals. +</I> +In fact, this bother a lot of people : + +People who write coreboot for example ( <A HREF="http://www.coreboot.org">http://www.coreboot.org</A> ). The project started +because someone wanted to be sure that his cluster didn't have bios problem. It is a daunting +task to hit any key on 1000 servers, especially if none of them have a keyboard. + +People who just want to know how the pc work, for example, students in low level system. +Lack of source doesn't really help to understand and learn, at least for the average +people. + +People who maybe want to understand why the driver they wrote broke with firmware update +( happened on some Apple laptop because apple updated something that broke video driver on linux ). +Or why it work with some card and not some other, since they have a different firmware. + +People who wonder if their TPM chips is really under their control or not. Maybe a bunch of +loonies. Maybe they are just ex sony customers screwed by their vendor, or people +who had 1984 on their Kindle before Amazon removed it. + +Or simply people that want to know what was fixed for their hardware. +( <A HREF="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594</A> ). Or just +want to avoid security issues ( <A HREF="https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html">https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html</A> ). +Or avoid waiting 5 minutes delay when booting a server for likely no good reason. + +Or people that have trouble because the lack of free software in their area +prevent them from doing their work as security researcher, as demonstrated by +the project Osmocombb ( <A HREF="http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/">http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/</A> ). + +But, yes maybe if we remove some security researchers, some cluster admins, +some people that would prefer to not be screwed by vendor, some kernel developpers, +some impatient sysadmins, some students, some coders and RMS, there is no one who +question it. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003727.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3725">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3725">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3725">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3725">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003726.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003726.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d386dcfa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003726.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lxde%20under%20gdm%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimGm51Z%2B18yagT4FQDfMOQ2XPE6wYdr018woC%3Dh%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003722.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003729.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?</H1> + <B>David Pernot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lxde%20under%20gdm%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimGm51Z%2B18yagT4FQDfMOQ2XPE6wYdr018woC%3Dh%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?">dpernot at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 14:01:43 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003722.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003729.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3726">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3726">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3726">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3726">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I had it again after resizing screen under virtualbox. +After reboot it's ok. + +2011/3/26 David Pernot <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dpernot at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> I had this issue too, yesterday after my daily upgrade. +</I>><i> I cleant my ~/.config dir and all went fine again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> David +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2011/3/26 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work +</I>>>><i> in conjunction with GDM ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it +</I>>>><i> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I +</I>>>><i> thought I'd ask the obvious question. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003722.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003729.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3726">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3726">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3726">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3726">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003727.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003727.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c3461f02e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003727.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103261405.41819.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003725.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003732.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103261405.41819.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 14:05:41 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003725.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003732.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3727">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3727">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3727">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3727">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 13:19:10 schreef Michael scherer: +><i> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:33:04AM +0100, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that +</I>><i> > > its +</I>><i> > > actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like +</I>><i> > > (almost) part of the hardware. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions +</I>><i> > the fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware +</I>><i> > or microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards +</I>><i> > and peripherals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In fact, this bother a lot of people : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who write coreboot for example ( <A HREF="http://www.coreboot.org">http://www.coreboot.org</A> ). The +</I>><i> project started because someone wanted to be sure that his cluster didn't +</I>><i> have bios problem. It is a daunting task to hit any key on 1000 servers, +</I>><i> especially if none of them have a keyboard. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who just want to know how the pc work, for example, students in low +</I>><i> level system. Lack of source doesn't really help to understand and learn, +</I>><i> at least for the average people. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who maybe want to understand why the driver they wrote broke with +</I>><i> firmware update ( happened on some Apple laptop because apple updated +</I>><i> something that broke video driver on linux ). Or why it work with some +</I>><i> card and not some other, since they have a different firmware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who wonder if their TPM chips is really under their control or not. +</I>><i> Maybe a bunch of loonies. Maybe they are just ex sony customers screwed by +</I>><i> their vendor, or people who had 1984 on their Kindle before Amazon removed +</I>><i> it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or simply people that want to know what was fixed for their hardware. +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594</A> ). Or just +</I>><i> want to avoid security issues ( +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html">https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html</A> ). +</I>><i> Or avoid waiting 5 minutes delay when booting a server for likely no good +</I>><i> reason. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or people that have trouble because the lack of free software in their area +</I>><i> prevent them from doing their work as security researcher, as demonstrated +</I>><i> by the project Osmocombb ( <A HREF="http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/">http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/</A> ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, yes maybe if we remove some security researchers, some cluster admins, +</I>><i> some people that would prefer to not be screwed by vendor, some kernel +</I>><i> developpers, some impatient sysadmins, some students, some coders and RMS, +</I>><i> there is no one who question it. +</I> +i agree that free software is important, but if it's a blob without released +source code but with BSD license, i really don't see the problem. perhaps +someone could just ask the people who licensed it, for the source code...? but +this is a thing to do for FSF, not mageia. that is my point. + +it doesn't mean i don't agree with what those people are doing, they should +release it with it. 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+</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it +</I>>><i> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I +</I>>><i> thought I'd ask the obvious question. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> +It looks like X crashes, please check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003726.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003720.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3729">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3729">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3729">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3729">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003730.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003730.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..579c1dc39 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003730.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/updates_testing%0A%20clementine-0.6-5.mga1&In-Reply-To=%3C1301168994.6859.0.camel%40tmb-laptop.supernet%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003723.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003731.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/updates_testing%0A%20clementine-0.6-5.mga1&In-Reply-To=%3C1301168994.6859.0.camel%40tmb-laptop.supernet%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1">tmb at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 20:49:54 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003723.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003731.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3730">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3730">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3730">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3730">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>lör 2011-03-26 klockan 10:44 +0200 skrev Maarten Vanraes: +><i> Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 21:25:25 schreef Thomas Backlund: +</I>><i> > Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59: +</I>><i> > > The repo name in installations is "Core Testing", so the inconsistency +</I>><i> > > is not fully my fault :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Not anymore... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But since you already have the medias added, you have the old name. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Thomas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> a bit OT, but since then i had failures for core/updates, tainted/updates, +</I>><i> non-free/updates repositories getting the hdlist. not sure if it's a bug, or +</I>><i> something that's related to my own setup +</I> +Try to remove and readd the medias, does it help ? + +-- +Thomas + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003723.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003731.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3730">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3730">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3730">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3730">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003731.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003731.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d27f0f91 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003731.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/updates_testing%0A%09clementine-0.6-5.mga1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103262056.30037.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003730.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003724.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/updates_testing%0A%09clementine-0.6-5.mga1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103262056.30037.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 20:56:30 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003730.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3731">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3731">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3731">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3731">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 20:49:54 schreef Thomas Backlund: +><i> lör 2011-03-26 klockan 10:44 +0200 skrev Maarten Vanraes: +</I>><i> > Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 21:25:25 schreef Thomas Backlund: +</I>><i> > > Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59: +</I>><i> > > > The repo name in installations is "Core Testing", so the +</I>><i> > > > inconsistency is not fully my fault :) +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Not anymore... +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > But since you already have the medias added, you have the old name. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > -- +</I>><i> > > Thomas +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > a bit OT, but since then i had failures for core/updates, +</I>><i> > tainted/updates, non-free/updates repositories getting the hdlist. not +</I>><i> > sure if it's a bug, or something that's related to my own setup +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Try to remove and readd the medias, does it help ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Thomas +</I> +i'm going to doublecheck later, but i thought it was the MD5SUM that wasn't +correct. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003730.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3731">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3731">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3731">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3731">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003732.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003732.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7f60e40c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003732.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8E60D5.9010705%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003727.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003733.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8E60D5.9010705%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 22:55:33 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003727.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003733.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3732">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3732">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3732">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3732">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.03.2011 22:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>>>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>>>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>>>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>>><i> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>>><i> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>>><i> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>>><i> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>>><i> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>>><i> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +</I>><i> these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) +</I> +I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as +1) it is consistent, and +2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon driver +doesn't work with any ISO) + +><i> topic for next Council meeting +</I>><i> to decide? +</I> +Probably. + +><i> would you like to write a summary for this in +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +</I>><i> ? +</I> +OK, seems I was late, sorry. 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+- A purely free, libre and open source installer dvd +- An addon cd for the installer dvd containing the firmware, drivers +and stuff? + +I know, if we have those "One-like" live cds, we don't really need the +last one, but I'm quite sure, there are more people than me out here, +who prefer a normal installer iso over a live cd... + +Oliver +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003732.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003734.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3733">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3733">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3733">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3733">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003734.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003734.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b5ac2643c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/003734.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103262337.55056.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003733.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103262337.55056.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003733.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3734">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3734">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3734">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3734">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 23:15:22 schreef Oliver Burger: +><i> Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> schrieb am 26.03.2011 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as +</I>><i> > 1) it is consistent, and +</I>><i> > 2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon +</I>><i> > driver doesn't work with any ISO) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Couldn't we have the following: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Live CDs (like Mandriva One, including proprietary stuff) (live cds +</I>><i> are planned, aren't they? +</I>><i> - A purely free, libre and open source installer dvd +</I>><i> - An addon cd for the installer dvd containing the firmware, drivers +</I>><i> and stuff? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know, if we have those "One-like" live cds, we don't really need the +</I>><i> last one, but I'm quite sure, there are more people than me out here, +</I>><i> who prefer a normal installer iso over a live cd... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I> +During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones often +only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work. + +I forsee possibly here the same issue with this, people will forget to +download the extra non_free CD, or do not care about non_free; wipe their +windows, install mageia, and have no networking to even get drivers anymore. + +how would we advertise this anyway? this extra CD contains non_free software, +but if you have an machine with networking from vendor X with types Y,Z,... +you will absolutely need this to have functional networking? + +it sounds to me like an awful lot of extra work, and complaints, etc... + +but, maybe every new person uses liveCDs to install, i never did, so i +wouldn't know. + +pfff, this is really a difficult topic... +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003733.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3734">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3734">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3734">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3734">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..63a1ea2bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 26 March 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>26 March 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Mar 26 01:15:27 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 16<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003728.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3728"> </A> +<I>L B +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003730.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3730"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003720.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3720"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003733.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3733"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003732.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3732"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003722.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? 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+</A><A NAME="3719"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003722.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3722"> </A> +<I>David Pernot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003726.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3726"> </A> +<I>David Pernot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003729.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3729"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003721.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3721"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003725.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3725"> </A> +<I>Michael scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003727.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3727"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003732.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3732"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003733.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3733"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003734.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3734"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003720.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3720"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003728.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3728"> </A> +<I>L B +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3724"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Mar 26 23:38:02 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..39d8a60ae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110326/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,159 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 26 March 2011 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>26 March 2011 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Mar 26 01:15:27 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 16<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01301098527- --> +<LI><A HREF="003719.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3719"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301098527-01301125876- --> +<LI><A HREF="003722.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3722"> </A> +<I>David Pernot +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301098527-01301125876-01301144503- --> +<LI><A HREF="003726.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3726"> </A> +<I>David Pernot +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01301098527-01301162285- --> +<LI><A HREF="003729.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3729"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01301114972- --> +<LI><A HREF="003720.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3720"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301114972-01301161675- --> +<LI><A HREF="003728.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3728"> </A> +<I>L B +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01301116300- --> +<LI><A HREF="003721.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3721"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01301129047- --> +<LI><A HREF="003723.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3723"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301129047-01301168994- --> +<LI><A HREF="003730.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3730"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301129047-01301168994-01301169390- --> +<LI><A HREF="003731.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3731"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01301135029- --> +<LI><A HREF="003724.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3724"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01301141950- --> +<LI><A HREF="003725.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3725"> </A> +<I>Michael scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301141950-01301144741- --> +<LI><A HREF="003727.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3727"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01301176533- --> +<LI><A HREF="003732.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3732"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301176533-01301177722- --> +<LI><A HREF="003733.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3733"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301176533-01301177722-01301179075- --> +<LI><A HREF="003734.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3734"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Mar 26 23:38:02 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |