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After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions +</I>><i> > the fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware +</I>><i> > or microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards +</I>><i> > and peripherals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In fact, this bother a lot of people : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who write coreboot for example ( <A HREF="http://www.coreboot.org">http://www.coreboot.org</A> ). The +</I>><i> project started because someone wanted to be sure that his cluster didn't +</I>><i> have bios problem. It is a daunting task to hit any key on 1000 servers, +</I>><i> especially if none of them have a keyboard. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who just want to know how the pc work, for example, students in low +</I>><i> level system. Lack of source doesn't really help to understand and learn, +</I>><i> at least for the average people. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who maybe want to understand why the driver they wrote broke with +</I>><i> firmware update ( happened on some Apple laptop because apple updated +</I>><i> something that broke video driver on linux ). Or why it work with some +</I>><i> card and not some other, since they have a different firmware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who wonder if their TPM chips is really under their control or not. +</I>><i> Maybe a bunch of loonies. Maybe they are just ex sony customers screwed by +</I>><i> their vendor, or people who had 1984 on their Kindle before Amazon removed +</I>><i> it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or simply people that want to know what was fixed for their hardware. +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594</A> ). Or just +</I>><i> want to avoid security issues ( +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html">https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html</A> ). +</I>><i> Or avoid waiting 5 minutes delay when booting a server for likely no good +</I>><i> reason. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or people that have trouble because the lack of free software in their area +</I>><i> prevent them from doing their work as security researcher, as demonstrated +</I>><i> by the project Osmocombb ( <A HREF="http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/">http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/</A> ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, yes maybe if we remove some security researchers, some cluster admins, +</I>><i> some people that would prefer to not be screwed by vendor, some kernel +</I>><i> developpers, some impatient sysadmins, some students, some coders and RMS, +</I>><i> there is no one who question it. +</I> +i agree that free software is important, but if it's a blob without released +source code but with BSD license, i really don't see the problem. perhaps +someone could just ask the people who licensed it, for the source code...? but +this is a thing to do for FSF, not mageia. that is my point. + +it doesn't mean i don't agree with what those people are doing, they should +release it with it. But that still doesn't make it the job of Mageia to fix +that. +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003725.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003732.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3727">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3727">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3727">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3727">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |