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The policy says: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config +</I>>>><i> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need +</I>>>><i> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for +</I>>>><i> your compiled version." +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We are not using unmodified source code for firefox : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Many of these entries seem to be just modified changelog entries. (And of +</I>><i> course, unmodified imports have changelog entries.) +</I> +It's not patches on the changelog ... Did you read any of the patches ? + +><i> +</I>>><i> And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are mosty against obsolete versions of Seamonkey. (Which may predate +</I>><i> the current Mozilla policy.) +</I> +This is the package for version 2.0.12, which is the latest version, +released 2 weeks ago. Is this what you call an obsolete version ? + +And the Mozilla policy is not new, I doubt the patches predate the +policy ... + +><i> Otherwise they just seem to be modified changelog entries. +</I> +I don't know where you saw modified changelog entries. + +><i> +</I>><i> Note also that if applied patches come from Mozilla, that shouldn't require +</I>><i> permission. (And Mozilla issues a lot of patches, particularly for +</I>><i> security.) +</I> +This is not security patches. Did you look at the patches ? + +By the way, did you really see Mozilla issue a lot of patches ? +They usually don't release patch on their ftp server, and only release +new tarballs for new versions when they need to fix security issues. + +And did you really see anything in the policy talking about patches +coming from Mozilla, or is it just an other random statement ? + +><i> +</I>><i> As well, we don't use the logo for advertising, we are just repackaging the +</I>><i> software as part of our distribution. +</I> +We are using the logo and the name, so we need to follow the policy (or +use rebranded version). + +><i> It might install in a somewhat different location, but that doesn't change +</I>><i> the contained binaries or scripts. Also, binaries distributed by Mozilla +</I>><i> without installer (in a compressed file) can be installed (almost) anywhere +</I>><i> one likes. +</I> +The list of changes that require permision to use the Mozilla Marks +includes "file location changes". Did you read the policy ? + +>><i> Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>>><i> seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>>><i> "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>><i> That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>><i> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I> +Did you read the open source definition ? +<A HREF="http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd">http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd</A> +First line says : "The license shall not restrict any party from selling +or giving away the software ..." + +So you're talking about patches that you didn't read. You're talking +about a policy that you didn't read. You're talking about "open source" +while you didn't read the definition. It would be nice if you could stop +sending emails with almost only false informations, and instead only +talk about what you know, or take the time to check what you're saying. + +>><i> So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the +</I>>><i> "Modifications" section. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think we need to, but we can always confirm via +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com</A> +</I> +It probably won't be a problem to get permission, but we need to ask. +I think Romain plans to see this with people from Mozilla europe. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3407">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3407">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3407">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3407">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |