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+ <B>Luca Berra</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:29:35AM +0100, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+&gt;<i>Here are a few issues I encountered:
+</I>&gt;<i>- grub entry might be wrong you could end up with root=/dev in the
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel line instead of /dev/vg/lv, bug not opened yet because I
+</I>&gt;<i> haven&#8217;t been able to trigger the condition to encounter it.
+</I>there should be a mdv bug about that, i think i opened it 2 or 3 years
+aho.
+
+&gt;<i>- initrd might be wrong if crypttab is empty (should open a bug for
+</I>&gt;<i> this)
+</I>&gt;<i>- lvm might not be correctly detected and not included in initrd: I had
+</I>&gt;<i> to export VG_LIST=&quot;vg&quot; to get it work as expected
+</I>still using mkinitrd?
+
+L.
+
+
+
+--
+Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bluca at vodka.it</A>
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+&gt;<i>At the moment when a new bug report is filed bugzilla adds the string
+</I>&gt;<i>&quot;New:&quot; to the subject line of the email, this is removed in subsequent
+</I>&gt;<i>emails (once the bug is not new any more, i.e. more comments were
+</I>&gt;<i>added... etc).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>This is a sort of an unofficial poll about how many people out there
+</I>&gt;<i>find this useful (or not).
+</I>
+I don't particulary mind either way.
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+Our weekly meeting happened yesterday
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-03-02-20.06.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-03-02-20.06.html</A>
+
+Among proposals and comments, we announced creation of Mageia calendar
+as you may have seen it on Mageia blog:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+One of these calendars is dedicated to organize work with apprentice
+on IRC. Clic on Agenda menu and you can see it. All official Mageia
+packagers can register and enter events inside. The goal for it is to
+propose time to help beginners on #mageia-mentoring, answering
+questions, pointing documentation, ... So the only thing you have to
+is to choose the proper time you would be available, enter your
+nickname. That's it! It will help beginners to learn and progress,
+especially those who do not have mentor yet but also spend some time
+to make grow packagers team.
+
+Cheers
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+----- &quot;devzero2000&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">devzero2000 at rpm5.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Apart from the rest - of which i will ask for sponsorship when it
+</I>&gt;<i> will
+</I>&gt;<i> be - I wanted to know if there are plans to move to rpm5 by Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva has been doing lately.
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> Rpm5 already has a builtbot
+</I>&gt;<i> with Magela and rpm5. I can, if you can think useful or have plan for
+</I>&gt;<i> this, lay the necessary modification to enter into rpm5 Mageia, with
+</I>&gt;<i> the features of Mandriva cooker - fingerprint, syslog, etc. without
+</I>&gt;<i> trademark ecc- and produce a first rpm rpm5 for mageia , which also
+</I>&gt;<i> contains the functionality required by the passage to the &quot;RPM
+</I>&gt;<i> ACID &quot; feauture (berkeley db conversion)
+</I>
+But, can you:
+-ensure that all valid packages that build under rpm-4.x (e.g. in Mandriva 2010.x) will build under rpm5?
+-ensure that all valid packages that install under rpm-4.x will install under rpm-4.x?
+
+There is no document specifying what has changed, or even when highlighting changes, no-one (@rpm5.org, or @mandriva.com) has bothered to list them so that contributors can save time instead of troubleshooting breakage.
+
+Some issues that have impacted me so far:
+-changed behaviour of %exclude
+-new reserved macros (%sql)
+-possible race condition between %__os_install_post and processing of %files (.lzma man pages reported missing where they are in fact .xz)
+
+(and of course, the unavailability of the build system - during one of the periods I had the most time to work on packages - due to the rpm5 &quot;upgrade&quot;)
+
+rpm5 has wasted more than half of the time I could afford to contribute to Mandriva. It seems Mandriva has resources to waste, I don't think we have.
+
+(At present, I am not sure if I will continue to maintain packages in Mandriva, the ones where I need newer packages on non-Mandriva at work which I currently maintain in Mandriva and then rebuild I will maintain for the present, but ones I don't need for work may languish ...)
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>Hi Anne,
+&gt;<i> Among proposals and comments, we announced creation of Mageia calendar
+</I>&gt;<i> as you may have seen it on Mageia blog:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+</I>
+I don't have a gmail account, and my vodafone one -that is a gmail-
+seems not to be able to login on the above link.
+
+Is there a way to get it in other way (ical for contact or similar)
+without the need of creating another mail account?
+
+TIA
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to get it in other way (ical for contact or similar)
+</I>&gt;<i> without the need of creating another mail account?
+</I>
+Reload <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A> , you now have direct links to
+ICS calendars at the bottom (thanks for the notice).
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+I was wondering if any packager is planning to import and maintain
+Seamonkey for Mageia.
+
+If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+it! :)
+
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+
+&gt;<i> ennael &lt;ennael&gt; 1:3.2.3-2.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 63044
+</I>&gt;<i> - clean spec file
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package nagios
+</I>
+So will be able to monitor mageia infrastructure :-)
+BTW, we should consider use icinga (<A HREF="http://www.icinga.org/">http://www.icinga.org/</A>) which is a
+more friendle fork of nagios
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 &#224; 14:17 +0100, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 3 March 2011 11:30, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ennael &lt;ennael&gt; 1:3.2.3-2.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 63044
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - clean spec file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package nagios
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So will be able to monitor mageia infrastructure :-)
+</I>
+Buchan just deploy xymon this morning
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, we should consider use icinga (<A HREF="http://www.icinga.org/">http://www.icinga.org/</A>) which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> more friendle fork of nagios
+</I>
+yeah, let's say &quot;if something was forked, we package it&quot; :)
+--
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Contributors%20using%20real%20name/working%20email%3F%20or%20not%3F%20or%0A%09maybe%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim5cGR_AUOL0y5qyadQbOSBJmYHmB5Jn3hNePrS%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+in the past few days/hours, on sysadmin list has a discussion arisen
+about publishing packager email into commit/change log; you can check
+the whole thread, here are three starting points of it:
+
+ * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html</A>
+ * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html</A>
+ * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html</A>
+
+And you would perhaps like to read the whole thread; not everyone
+agrees there. The discussion slipped to whether:
+ * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould use &amp; publish their real name (as
+registered in identity),
+ * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould publish their contact email (same),
+ * in their contributions to the project (here, in the changelog),
+ * if it should be strictly enforced or not, and why.
+
+for practical or personal reasons. It's a general, pretty key matter,
+it's been rightly suggested to raise the point here, so here it is.
+
+We can't enforce anything unless we decide on this first and this
+thread is here to gather views. What we (Council) will decide later on
+about this depends on the outcomes of the discussion (and if we ever
+decide or not btw). It will be part of the project's privacy policy.
+
+And please try to keep this discussion to the point, focused and
+civilized; state your views, don't infer on others' ones, stay cool.
+Or your point will become shallow and the discussion will be wasted.
+
+The points to decide here are:
+ a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+authoring)
+ b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+the person?
+
+I won't comment on pros and cons below (not exclusive of others), but
+those were raised in the discussion before:
+
+The pros (as in &quot;yes one should&quot;):
+ - that is the common way used in MDV and other major distributions
+ - (email or name) it identifies the author of a change to the project/code
+ - (email) it helps identifying &amp; contacting directly someone in the
+project (peer review or any ad hoc matter)
+ - (email &amp; name) it helps building confidence among contributors and
+from the outside
+ - (name) it encourages people to adopt a consistent behaviour
+ - (email &amp; name) it builds one's contributions list for
+future/outside reference
+
+The cons (as in &quot;no, one should be free not to&quot;)
+ - public email addresses get spammed
+ - personal preferences to not reveal one's name
+ - there are situations where anonymity is a requirement or &quot;nice to
+have&quot; (from a personal or corporate point of view)
+ - it will encourage people to contact directly contributors instead
+of using other expected channels
+
+Note that one may use a fake name/identity anyway to stay anonymous
+(but unless one already has a network of trust within a group, she
+would not have a past public record to help building her new
+reputation).
+
+What is at stake is the accountability for each contributor, hence for
+the whole project. What will matter is what one does and how.
+
+And again, let's have this point discussed in a cool, informative,
+constructive and efficient way, please.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
+</PRE>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ennael &lt;ennael&gt; 1:3.2.3-2.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 63044
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - clean spec file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package nagios
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So will be able to monitor mageia infrastructure :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan just deploy xymon this morning
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, we should consider use icinga (<A HREF="http://www.icinga.org/">http://www.icinga.org/</A>) which is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more friendle fork of nagios
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yeah, let's say &quot;if something was forked, we package it&quot; :)
+</I>
+well it works smoothly and what's more is a little more beautiful...
+not totally web2.0 but definitively less 1990s than nagios...
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+Romain you forgot to specify that currently aliases are used in the Mageia
+packages and no email addresses are included.
+So the discussion started because some people wanted to change this.
+
+
+Well, I repeat my point of view as posted in the other thread:
+
+- each packager should be free to decide his identity (i.e. whether to use
+his real name or alias)
+ creating to many unnecessary rules will just alienate people and a don't
+think Mageia can afford that
+
+- while I'm rather against having an email address in the package changelog
+entries as it encourages users to contact packagers directly via private
+email rather than going through the proper support channels, I don't
+really mind too much as long as we can use a mageia.org forwarding email
+address (which would be the best anyway since it would make the package
+look more official)
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 15:20, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> So the discussion started because some people wanted to change this.
+</I>
+That's why I pointed out several pointers to the initial discussion,
+where Thierry asked it to be configured as it used to be in Mandriva
+infrastructure.
+
+Note that the existing setup (using only the user nickname and no
+email) is not such because it was decided to be like that, but because
+it had not yet been configured, at all.
+
+&gt;<i> - while I'm rather against having an email address in the package changelog
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't really mind too much as long as we can use a mageia.org forwarding
+</I>&gt;<i> email address (which would be the best anyway since it would make the
+</I>&gt;<i> package look more official)
+</I>
+So that's already a significant difference from the previous discussion...
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> The points to decide here are:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think that there must be a way for anyone using the package or reading
+the spec or code to be able to contact the contributor. So, yes, I
+would say there must be an email address, although it need not be a
+personal one (perhaps one provided by mageia). If it is spammed, it can
+be changed throughout code, specs, and changelogs in an automated way.
+
+I see no reason to require a contributor to provide a real name. They
+should be welcome to do so if they want public recognition (or for any
+other reason), but if they don't, that's fine. If someone needs to
+establish their contributions to a third party, that can be done by
+having the third party send mail to the published email address and get
+a reply that is obviously from that contributor. As far as
+accountability for behavior, nothing stops anyone from joining the MLs
+and trolling, and what works for non-contributors doing this should work
+as well for contributors. As far as quality of contributions goes, bad
+or disruptive work will be recognized and can be checked or screened by
+an alias as well as a real name. As far as malicious contributions go,
+such people are unlikely to provide a true name anyway.
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+Quote: rdalverny wrote on Thu, 03 March 2011 15:27
+
+&gt;<i> So that's already a significant difference from the previous
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion...
+</I>
+It's not, I said that in the other thread too but obviously you never read
+my posts:
+ <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=2367&amp;goto=7691">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=2367&amp;goto=7691</A>
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+&quot;If the majority of packagers prefer that we have an email address in the
+changelog then i can live with that, but I would much prefer if I could
+use a separate email address for that (ideally a mageia.org address, BTW
+are we getting those?), not the primary one in mageia-identity.&quot;
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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+----- &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+
+&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould use &amp; publish their real name
+</I>&gt;<i> (as
+</I>&gt;<i> registered in identity),
+</I>
+I would just like to note that, during registration on identity, we only prompt for a 'First name' and 'Surname', however we populate the LDAP attributes 'givenName' and 'sn' respectively, but also populate 'cn' with the concatenation of these. For &quot;promoted&quot; accounts, we populate 'gecos' as well (which is typically displayed by the operating system) from cn.
+
+So far, I think all applications we have deployed or plan to deploy soon will use 'cn' as the user's real name (e.g. bugzilla).
+
+So, we should possibly distinguish more clearly between what names are in identity, and also distinguish between:
+
+* Package info (incl. changelog From header) should contain only organisation details
+* Package info should contain username
+* Package info should contain alias (e.g. cn)
+* Package info should contain real names according to identity (givenName,sn)
+
+This would possibly need to be considered for other cases such as forum, bugzilla, blog, wiki etc. etc. (although, ideally they would be consistent, so we can keep software configuration consistent).
+
+&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould publish their contact email
+</I>&gt;<i> (same),
+</I>&gt;<i> * in their contributions to the project (here, in the changelog),
+</I>&gt;<i> * if it should be strictly enforced or not, and why.
+</I>
+Is there any legal requirement, specifically in terms of proving copyright ownership of files contributed by users who have no legal connection to the association?
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 11:00:01, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>Hello,
+[...]
+&gt;<i> a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>[...]
+I think a good solution should to provide a mageia.org email which should be
+a forward to user's personnal email.
+It would be nice to also provide a Real Name but maybe the user can have the
+solution of having only his pseudo/alias instead of his real name in
+changelog/commits ...
+
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 &#224; 15:00 +0100, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in the past few days/hours, on sysadmin list has a discussion arisen
+</I>&gt;<i> about publishing packager email into commit/change log; you can check
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole thread, here are three starting points of it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you would perhaps like to read the whole thread; not everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> agrees there. The discussion slipped to whether:
+</I>&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould use &amp; publish their real name (as
+</I>&gt;<i> registered in identity),
+</I>&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould publish their contact email (same),
+</I>&gt;<i> * in their contributions to the project (here, in the changelog),
+</I>&gt;<i> * if it should be strictly enforced or not, and why.
+</I>
+What about contributors or people just using our tools ( bugzilla,
+etc ), who are not strictly speaking &quot;developpers&quot;. Ie, here, we speak
+of the changelog, but there is more than packagers in the project, and
+more contributions than packages.
+
+So shouldn't the thread be moved to -discuss, or dispatched to others
+teams ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+</I>&gt;<i> I was wondering if any packager is planning to import and maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> Seamonkey for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+</I>&gt;<i> complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+</I>&gt;<i> it! :)
+</I>
+It would be nice to see, but I'm still an apprentice :)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould use &amp; publish their real name (as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> registered in identity),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould publish their contact email (same),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* in their contributions to the project (here, in the changelog),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* if it should be strictly enforced or not, and why.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about contributors or people just using our tools ( bugzilla,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc ), who are not strictly speaking &quot;developpers&quot;. Ie, here, we speak
+</I>&gt;<i> of the changelog, but there is more than packagers in the project, and
+</I>&gt;<i> more contributions than packages.
+</I>
+Indeed. Hence the &quot;packagers/contributors&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> So shouldn't the thread be moved to -discuss, or dispatched to others
+</I>&gt;<i> teams ?
+</I>
+Makes sense. But having the very changelog/commit issue checked here
+may help to reconsider this topic as a larger &quot;privacy &amp; identity
+topic&quot; for -discuss. Feel free to dispatch otherwise.
+
+Romain
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+Just announcing I'm sharing some searches here:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches</A>
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in the past few days/hours, on sysadmin list has a discussion arisen
+</I>&gt;<i> about publishing packager email into commit/change log; you can check
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole thread, here are three starting points of it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you would perhaps like to read the whole thread; not everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> agrees there. The discussion slipped to whether:
+</I>&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould use&amp; publish their real name (as
+</I>&gt;<i> registered in identity),
+</I>&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould publish their contact email (same),
+</I>&gt;<i> * in their contributions to the project (here, in the changelog),
+</I>&gt;<i> * if it should be strictly enforced or not, and why.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for practical or personal reasons. It's a general, pretty key matter,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's been rightly suggested to raise the point here, so here it is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can't enforce anything unless we decide on this first and this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread is here to gather views. What we (Council) will decide later on
+</I>&gt;<i> about this depends on the outcomes of the discussion (and if we ever
+</I>&gt;<i> decide or not btw). It will be part of the project's privacy policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And please try to keep this discussion to the point, focused and
+</I>&gt;<i> civilized; state your views, don't infer on others' ones, stay cool.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or your point will become shallow and the discussion will be wasted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The points to decide here are:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I won't comment on pros and cons below (not exclusive of others), but
+</I>&gt;<i> those were raised in the discussion before:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The pros (as in &quot;yes one should&quot;):
+</I>&gt;<i> - that is the common way used in MDV and other major distributions
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email or name) it identifies the author of a change to the project/code
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email) it helps identifying&amp; contacting directly someone in the
+</I>&gt;<i> project (peer review or any ad hoc matter)
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email&amp; name) it helps building confidence among contributors and
+</I>&gt;<i> from the outside
+</I>&gt;<i> - (name) it encourages people to adopt a consistent behaviour
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email&amp; name) it builds one's contributions list for
+</I>&gt;<i> future/outside reference
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The cons (as in &quot;no, one should be free not to&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> - public email addresses get spammed
+</I>&gt;<i> - personal preferences to not reveal one's name
+</I>&gt;<i> - there are situations where anonymity is a requirement or &quot;nice to
+</I>&gt;<i> have&quot; (from a personal or corporate point of view)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it will encourage people to contact directly contributors instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of using other expected channels
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that one may use a fake name/identity anyway to stay anonymous
+</I>&gt;<i> (but unless one already has a network of trust within a group, she
+</I>&gt;<i> would not have a past public record to help building her new
+</I>&gt;<i> reputation).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is at stake is the accountability for each contributor, hence for
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole project. What will matter is what one does and how.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And again, let's have this point discussed in a cool, informative,
+</I>&gt;<i> constructive and efficient way, please.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Personnally I like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pseudo at mageia.org</A>, with real name and direct adresse
+optional.
+
+1) anyone who wants to can give a phony name anyway.
+
+2) @mageia.org lessens the personal spam problem, and looks more
+official as well. It will also give Mageia a higher profile, which is a
+non-negligable side effect.
+
+3) a lot of contributors like myself aren't in it for the publicity.
+As well, they could have compelling reasons to remain anonymous.
+(Thus not giving their real email, for example.)
+
+my 2 cents :)
+--
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+&gt;<i> The points to decide here are:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I for one like the idea/workflow on LKML and kernel contributions, as
+specified by section 12 in the Documentation/SubmittingPatches
+
+(<A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/SubmittingPatches">http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/SubmittingPatches</A>)
+
+&lt;quote&gt;
+12) Sign your work
+
+To improve tracking of who did what, especially with patches that can
+percolate to their final resting place in the kernel through several
+layers of maintainers, we've introduced a &quot;sign-off&quot; procedure on
+patches that are being emailed around.
+
+The sign-off is a simple line at the end of the explanation for the
+patch, which certifies that you wrote it or otherwise have the right to
+pass it on as a open-source patch. The rules are pretty simple: if you
+can certify the below:
+
+ Developer's Certificate of Origin 1.1
+
+ By making a contribution to this project, I certify that:
+
+ (a) The contribution was created in whole or in part by me and I
+ have the right to submit it under the open source license
+ indicated in the file; or
+
+ (b) The contribution is based upon previous work that, to the best
+ of my knowledge, is covered under an appropriate open source
+ license and I have the right under that license to submit that
+ work with modifications, whether created in whole or in part
+ by me, under the same open source license (unless I am
+ permitted to submit under a different license), as indicated
+ in the file; or
+
+ (c) The contribution was provided directly to me by some other
+ person who certified (a), (b) or (c) and I have not modified
+ it.
+
+ (d) I understand and agree that this project and the contribution
+ are public and that a record of the contribution (including all
+ personal information I submit with it, including my
+sign-off) is
+ maintained indefinitely and may be redistributed consistent
+with
+ this project or the open source license(s) involved.
+
+then you just add a line saying
+
+ Signed-off-by: Random J Developer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">random at developer.example.org</A>&gt;
+
+using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous contributions.)
+&lt;/quote&gt;
+
+The same applies to more and more projects when sending patches
+upstream, namely proper sign-off is required.
+
+So IMHO the same idea can be applied to changelogs, as they are a
+automated &quot;Sign-off&quot; by the submitter.
+
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+Quote: Thomas Backlund wrote on Thu, 03 March 2011 17:21
+
+&gt;<i> Signed-off-by: Random J Developer
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">random at developer.example.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions.)
+</I>
+The Linux kernel has more than enough contributors so it can afford to
+introduce hurdles that will stop some contributor from contributing, but I
+still consider this is against the spirit of FOSS which relies also in
+considerable part on spontaneous one-off contributions (especially for bug
+fixes).
+
+Do you think Mageia has more than enough packagers that it's ok to lose
+some due to unnecessary strict rules?
+
+
+
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 &#224; 11:13 -0500, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> 2) @mageia.org lessens the personal spam problem, and looks more
+</I>&gt;<i> official as well.
+</I>
+It doesn't lessen the problem, it move it to someone else ( ie, sysadmin
+team ).
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just announcing I'm sharing some searches here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'ven't yet imported all my usefull searches from mdv bugz but
+</I>&gt;<i> it'll be done
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FWIW, I've been stuck with bugzilla for the past 2-3 years, never used
+saved search, which does look like a neat feature; thanks for the
+heads up :)
+
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personnally I like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pseudo at mageia.org</A>, with real name and direct adresse
+</I>&gt;<i> optional.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) anyone who wants to can give a phony name anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) @mageia.org lessens the personal spam problem, and looks more
+</I>&gt;<i> official as well. It will also give Mageia a higher profile, which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> non-negligable side effect.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) a lot of contributors like myself aren't in it for the publicity.
+</I>&gt;<i> As well, they could have compelling reasons to remain anonymous.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Thus not giving their real email, for example.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 cents :)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree with Andr&#233;.
+
+People who have a strong desire/need for anonymity will find a way to
+preserve that. and still communicate and participate.
+
+--
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+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> The points to decide here are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> &#160;b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's the user's choice/problem/issue.
+
+Emails/names appear in changelogs everywhere I look, if someone
+doesn't want his email/name to appear publicly, then use an
+alternative email/name, that's a choice given to the user when he/she
+creates an account in identity/upstream bugzilla / any public ML /
+forum /whatever.
+
+--
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The points to decide here are:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>
+I think we should require an email address, and a full name (which is
+recommended to be the real name, but not necessary).
+
+And I also think we should display the full name and the email address
+in the rpm changelog :
+ - it's easier to recognize people with their name
+ - it's better to give credit with their name and email
+ - it's easier if you need to contact the author of a package when you
+ have their email
+ - people who don't want to be contacted should not be packagers
+ - people who don't want their real name to be public can use an other
+ name
+
+And I don't think we should add an option to select whether to display
+the full name or not, because it requires a lot of work, a lot of
+software don't support it, and we probably have more useful work to do
+when there is already a simple solution available (using an other name
+instead of your real name).
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+ <B>Jerome Quelin</B>
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+&gt;<i> Just announcing I'm sharing some searches here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'ven't yet imported all my usefull searches from mdv bugz but
+</I>&gt;<i> it'll be done
+</I>
+i've shared my &quot;perl bugs&quot; search which report all bugs related to perl
+and perl modules.
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
+--
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 15:02:57 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
+&gt;<i> On 3 March 2011 14:55, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ennael &lt;ennael&gt; 1:3.2.3-2.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; + Revision: 63044
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; - clean spec file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; - imported package nagios
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So will be able to monitor mageia infrastructure :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Buchan just deploy xymon this morning
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; BTW, we should consider use icinga (<A HREF="http://www.icinga.org/">http://www.icinga.org/</A>) which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; more friendle fork of nagios
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; yeah, let's say &quot;if something was forked, we package it&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well it works smoothly and what's more is a little more beautiful...
+</I>&gt;<i> not totally web2.0 but definitively less 1990s than nagios...
+</I>
+i may have stated this before, but i found OMD <A HREF="http://omdistro.org/">http://omdistro.org/</A> also a
+nicelooking &quot;bundling&quot; (not really a fork) of nagios (with, more importantly,
+check_mk patches). :-D
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 15:00:01 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in the past few days/hours, on sysadmin list has a discussion arisen
+</I>&gt;<i> about publishing packager email into commit/change log; you can check
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole thread, here are three starting points of it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002946.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002955.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you would perhaps like to read the whole thread; not everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> agrees there. The discussion slipped to whether:
+</I>&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould use &amp; publish their real name (as
+</I>&gt;<i> registered in identity),
+</I>&gt;<i> * packagers/contributors [sh|w]ould publish their contact email (same),
+</I>&gt;<i> * in their contributions to the project (here, in the changelog),
+</I>&gt;<i> * if it should be strictly enforced or not, and why.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for practical or personal reasons. It's a general, pretty key matter,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's been rightly suggested to raise the point here, so here it is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can't enforce anything unless we decide on this first and this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread is here to gather views. What we (Council) will decide later on
+</I>&gt;<i> about this depends on the outcomes of the discussion (and if we ever
+</I>&gt;<i> decide or not btw). It will be part of the project's privacy policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And please try to keep this discussion to the point, focused and
+</I>&gt;<i> civilized; state your views, don't infer on others' ones, stay cool.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or your point will become shallow and the discussion will be wasted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The points to decide here are:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) should a contributor provide a public email address, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs, commits and everywhere her contribution to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> needs an id or contact id? (for instance changelog, commit, document
+</I>&gt;<i> authoring)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) should a contributor provide a real name for the same goals? or is
+</I>&gt;<i> a fake name/alias ok, as long as there are people that do know/meet
+</I>&gt;<i> the person?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I won't comment on pros and cons below (not exclusive of others), but
+</I>&gt;<i> those were raised in the discussion before:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The pros (as in &quot;yes one should&quot;):
+</I>&gt;<i> - that is the common way used in MDV and other major distributions
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email or name) it identifies the author of a change to the project/code
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email) it helps identifying &amp; contacting directly someone in the
+</I>&gt;<i> project (peer review or any ad hoc matter)
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email &amp; name) it helps building confidence among contributors and
+</I>&gt;<i> from the outside
+</I>&gt;<i> - (name) it encourages people to adopt a consistent behaviour
+</I>&gt;<i> - (email &amp; name) it builds one's contributions list for
+</I>&gt;<i> future/outside reference
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The cons (as in &quot;no, one should be free not to&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> - public email addresses get spammed
+</I>&gt;<i> - personal preferences to not reveal one's name
+</I>&gt;<i> - there are situations where anonymity is a requirement or &quot;nice to
+</I>&gt;<i> have&quot; (from a personal or corporate point of view)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it will encourage people to contact directly contributors instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of using other expected channels
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that one may use a fake name/identity anyway to stay anonymous
+</I>&gt;<i> (but unless one already has a network of trust within a group, she
+</I>&gt;<i> would not have a past public record to help building her new
+</I>&gt;<i> reputation).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is at stake is the accountability for each contributor, hence for
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole project. What will matter is what one does and how.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And again, let's have this point discussed in a cool, informative,
+</I>&gt;<i> constructive and efficient way, please.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+I think we need to have a name and email address. however, some options:
+
+
+A. possibly &quot;cn&quot; could be editable in identity
+==&gt; this will allow people to fill in what they want, be it full name,
+nickname, or full name AND nickname
+
+cn could then be used as the name field
+
+
+B. an email address is required IMHO, and preferably a @mageia.org email
+address
+
+however, if people wouldn't want to have their email address listed, an extra
+option is this:
+
+C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could use the
+maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more)
+(this could also be a packagegroup. eg: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer
+to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too
+complex)
+
+D. if people really want to use their own personal email address, perhaps one
+can be opted-in to use that one. (but this should be decided in a policy and
+be strict on it either YES/NO)
+
+
+personally, i like:
+A, B, C, but vote NO for D.
+
+i would like to use &quot;AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at mageia.org</A>&gt;&quot; being used. my real name is
+kind of not linked the the email address.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could use the
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more)
+</I>&gt;<i> (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer
+</I>&gt;<i> to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too
+</I>&gt;<i> complex)
+</I>That is an elegant and excellent idea.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could use the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> complex)
+</I>&gt;<i> That is an elegant and excellent idea.
+</I>
+Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not
+match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually
+committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing
+the package. Is that wanted?
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:31:10 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer to maintainers of firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That is an elegant and excellent idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not
+</I>&gt;<i> match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually
+</I>&gt;<i> committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing
+</I>&gt;<i> the package. Is that wanted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+it depends, the nickname could still be kept; and we were talking about having
+multiple maintainers in the future?
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could use the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case of more)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (this could also be a packagegroup. eg: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to maintainers of firefox, xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> complex)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is an elegant and excellent idea.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not
+</I>&gt;<i> match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually
+</I>&gt;<i> committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing
+</I>&gt;<i> the package. Is that wanted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Is it possible to have the changelog display something more unique than
+the group email address for ID purposes, but the email address for
+communication purposes ?
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+
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:31:10 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers (in case
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer to maintainers of firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That is an elegant and excellent idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the package. Is that wanted?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it depends, the nickname could still be kept; and we were talking about having
+</I>&gt;<i> multiple maintainers in the future?
+</I>
+Except that changelog is not for listing maintainers, but the persons who
+did some changes.
+
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:58:16 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 03 maart 2011 22:31:10 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 21:54, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; C. how about we make &lt;packagename&gt;@packages.mageia.org, which could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; use the maintainers database to forward the email to maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (in case of more) (this could also be a packagegroup. eg:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">firefox at packages.mageia.org</A> could refer to maintainers of firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; xulrunner, etc...) (this option might just be too complex)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; That is an elegant and excellent idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Elegant, but as in a changelog, that means the email does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; match/identify/link to the _person_ taking the step of actually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; committing/releasing the change, but the team in charge of managing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the package. Is that wanted?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it depends, the nickname could still be kept; and we were talking about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having multiple maintainers in the future?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Except that changelog is not for listing maintainers, but the persons who
+</I>&gt;<i> did some changes.
+</I>
+but changelog is for committing, not submitting? isn't this a totally different
+thing?
+
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 2 March 2011 11:42, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the timeframe of this move ?
+</I>&gt;<i> ( and I would not wait for nvidia/fglrx personnally ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would also not put in core/testing, as i doubt people use this.
+</I>&gt;<i> just upload to core/release directly, or say &quot;i upload and will put in
+</I>&gt;<i> release
+</I>&gt;<i> after 1 week&quot;.
+</I>
+I've tested it on radeon.
+Works OK.
+But I cannot upload to core/testing:
+
+[x11-server]$ mgarepo submit --define section=core/testing
+Submitting x11-server at revision 63783
+URL: svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server</A>
+Implicit target: cauldron
+No handlers could be found for logger &quot;mgarepo&quot;
+error: command failed: ssh pkgsubmit.mageia.org
+/usr/local/bin/submit_package -t cauldron --define
+sid=e0f6502c-dfb0-4e0e-9855-b1f7c0b0b1fe --define section=core/testing
+-r 63783 svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server</A>
+error: Failed to upload
+svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server:">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/x11-server:</A>
+Executing perl -I/usr/share/mdv-youri-core/lib
+-I/usr/share/mdv-youri-submit/lib
+/usr/share/mdv-youri-submit/bin/youri-submit --config
+/etc/youri/submit-todo.conf --define user=tv --define
+sid=e0f6502c-dfb0-4e0e-9855-b1f7c0b0b1fe --define section=core/testing
+cauldron /var/lib/schedbot/repsys/srpms/@63783:x11-server-1.10.0-1.mga1.src.rpm
+(sudo_user tv)
+FATAL youri: unknown section core/testing for target cauldron for arch src
+Initializing repository
+A /var/lib/schedbot/repsys/tmp/tmpCukHuN/SOURCES-bin
+
+So far the following rebuilded successfully against xserver-1.10:
+x11-driver-input
+x11-driver-input-evdev
+x11-driver-input-wacom
+x11-driver-video
+x11-driver-video-apm
+x11-driver-video-ark
+x11-driver-video-ast
+x11-driver-video-ati
+x11-driver-video-chips
+x11-driver-video-cirrus
+x11-driver-video-dummy
+x11-driver-video-fbdev
+x11-driver-video-glint
+x11-driver-video-i128
+x11-driver-video-i740
+x11-driver-video-intel
+x11-driver-video-mga
+x11-driver-video-neomagic
+x11-driver-video-newport
+x11-driver-video-nv
+x11-driver-video-openchrome
+x11-driver-video-r128
+x11-driver-video-radeonhd
+x11-driver-video-rendition
+x11-driver-video-s3virge
+x11-driver-video-savage
+x11-driver-video-siliconmotion
+x11-driver-video-sis
+x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+x11-driver-video-sisusb
+x11-driver-video-tdfx
+x11-driver-video-tga
+x11-driver-video-trident
+x11-driver-video-tseng
+x11-driver-video-uncommon
+x11-driver-video-v4l
+x11-driver-video-vesa
+x11-driver-video-vmware
+x11-driver-video-voodoo
+
+x11-driver-input-mouse, x11-driver-input-keyboard,
+x11-driver-input-synaptics &amp; x11-driver-input-vmmouse have RCs
+that I'ven't yet tried to rebuild, waiting for the core/testing issue
+to be fixed first.
+I'll look at nouveau later.
+
+So, what do I do?
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 3 mars 2011 10:53:25, Buchan Milne a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> rpm5 has wasted more than half of the time I could afford to contribute to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva. It seems Mandriva has resources to waste, I don't think we have.
+</I>
+I fully agree. The users don't bother if it works with rpm4 or rpm5 or rpm17,
+they want only a working system!
+
+A part of the success of Ubuntu is that it works. Even if it is not always the
+best technical choice, the best choice is always the choice which works.
+
+--
+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie.
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+<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002888.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
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+<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<LI><A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="003765.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002891.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="2891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002892.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
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+<LI><A HREF="002889.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugs mailing list, new bugs Subject line
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+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
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+<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
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+<LI><A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002925.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002926.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
+</A><A NAME="2926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
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+<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
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+<LI><A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
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+<LI><A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
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+<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
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+<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
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+<LI><A HREF="002890.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
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+<LI><A HREF="002888.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002889.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugs mailing list, new bugs Subject line
+</A><A NAME="2889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002890.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002891.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="2891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002892.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003765.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002925.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002926.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
+</A><A NAME="2926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 3 23:58:43 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:14 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>3 March 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 3 08:01:40 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 3 23:58:43 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 40<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002889.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugs mailing list, new bugs Subject line
+</A><A NAME="2889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002925.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002890.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002892.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002891.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="2891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003765.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002888.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002926.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
+</A><A NAME="2926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 3 23:58:43 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:14 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>3 March 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 3 08:01:40 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 3 23:58:43 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 40<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01299135700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002888.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299136506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002889.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugs mailing list, new bugs Subject line
+</A><A NAME="2889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299144887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002890.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299144887-01299146683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002892.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299144887-01299146683-01299148185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-dev] Organizing work with apprentices packagers
+</A><A NAME="2893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299146005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002891.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="2891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299146005-01299158440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003765.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299148996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299148996-01299166061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="2906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299158273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299158273-01299160535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299158273-01299160535-01299160977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299158273-01299160535-01299160977-01299183741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release nagios-3.2.3-2.mga1
+</A><A NAME="2918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299160801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299160801-01299162024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299160801-01299162024-01299162466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299160801-01299162024-01299162466-01299163391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299160801-01299162582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299160801-01299164856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299160801-01299165110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299160801-01299165980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299160801-01299165980-01299166528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299160801-01299168803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299160801-01299168803-01299170431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01299160801-01299168803-01299172283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299160801-01299169313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299160801-01299169313-01299170067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299160801-01299172413- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299160801-01299175041- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299160801-01299185005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299160801-01299185005-01299185652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299160801-01299185005-01299185652-01299187870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299160801-01299185005-01299185652-01299187870-01299188483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299160801-01299185005-01299185652-01299187870-01299188483-01299189496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299160801-01299185005-01299185652-01299187870-01299188483-01299189496-01299192663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002925.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299160801-01299185005-01299185652-01299187870-01299188734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe?
+</A><A NAME="2923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299168343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299168343-01299170453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299168343-01299176809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-dev] shared bugzilla searches
+</A><A NAME="2917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299193123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002926.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver-1.10
+</A><A NAME="2926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 3 23:58:43 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:14 CEST 2011</i>
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