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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1>
+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ <I>Mon Feb 28 23:02:30 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 f&#233;vrier 2011 18:21:58, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 26 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 01:00 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 10:33:42, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 09:19 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 01:12:07, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What need to be taken in account too is also the case
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Internet =&gt; 5-7 apps.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Having :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Internet =&gt; 5-7 submenus =&gt; 1 app entry
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; is IMHO clearly suboptimal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ( ie, 1 step more to get application , on a total of 3, that's a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; lot ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Does it happen ? In a default Mandriva KDE installation I already
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; have more than 10 internet applications.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I do not use kde, but that doesn't sound good.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What are the entries ? Are all of them really needed ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - akregator
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kaddressbook
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kmail
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - network center (mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kbluetooth
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kget (download manager)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - knetattach (= add a network
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - knode : newsgroups reader (unless I installed it manually, not sure)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - konqueror
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kontact
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - konversation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kopete
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - korganizer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - kppp
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - krdc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - krfb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - ktorrent (unless I installed it manually)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And I agree that many of those will not be used by most people
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is some duplicate :
+</I>&gt;<i> firefox / konqueror
+</I>&gt;<i> kontact / korganiser / kmail / kadressboo, that somehow all overlap ( IIRC
+</I>&gt;<i> from my kde days ) - kppp / network center / knetattach -&gt; manage network
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I prefer 3 quick steps rather than 2 long steps.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This would requires some testing and measures to see which is faster,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; which is more confusing. Fcrozat did some tests, but I think the report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; were not published :/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; And KDE gives you the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;recently used applications&quot; on top of the menu, so the extra step is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; no big deal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Shall I remind that there is more than KDE in the world ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, because it suggests I forgot it, which is not the case :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But you mean there is no such functionality in GNOME and other commonly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; used environments ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I never seen this on windows, ( which is still the most common used
+</I>&gt;<i> evnironment, even if my own usage date back to xp ), neither on mac os x
+</I>&gt;<i> ( on 10.5 ).
+</I>
+Well, for windows I think you just didn't see it :)
+&quot;Commonly used programs are automatically displayed in the left-hand menu&quot;
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_menu#Evolution_of_the_Start_Menu">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_menu#Evolution_of_the_Start_Menu</A>
+
+I think I had that functionality already in windows 98 (but that could be a
+false memory, I don't guarantee).
+
+Samuel
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