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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002812.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002812.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..422c18810 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002812.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102260100.01615.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002815.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102260100.01615.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 01:00:01 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2812">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2812">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2812">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2812">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 25 février 2011 10:33:42, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 09:19 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le vendredi 25 février 2011 01:12:07, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > > What need to be taken in account too is also the case +</I>><i> > > Internet => 5-7 apps. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Having : +</I>><i> > > Internet => 5-7 submenus => 1 app entry +</I>><i> > > is IMHO clearly suboptimal. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > ( ie, 1 step more to get application , on a total of 3, that's a lot ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Does it happen ? In a default Mandriva KDE installation I already have +</I>><i> > more than 10 internet applications. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not use kde, but that doesn't sound good. +</I>><i> What are the entries ? Are all of them really needed ? +</I> +- akregator +- kaddressbook +- kmail +- network center (mandriva) +- kbluetooth +- kget (download manager) +- knetattach (= add a network +- knode : newsgroups reader (unless I installed it manually, not sure) +- konqueror +- kontact +- konversation +- kopete +- korganizer +- kppp +- krdc +- krfb +- ktorrent (unless I installed it manually) +- firefox + +And I agree that many of those will not be used by most people + +><i> +</I>><i> > I prefer 3 quick steps rather than 2 long steps. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This would requires some testing and measures to see which is faster, +</I>><i> which is more confusing. Fcrozat did some tests, but I think the report +</I>><i> were not published :/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > And KDE gives you the +</I>><i> > "recently used applications" on top of the menu, so the extra step is no +</I>><i> > big deal. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Shall I remind that there is more than KDE in the world ? +</I> +No, because it suggests I forgot it, which is not the case :) +But you mean there is no such functionality in GNOME and other commonly used +environments ? + +Samuel +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2812">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2812">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2812">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2812">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002813.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002813.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b7d9da5cb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002813.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6848FE.506%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002815.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002814.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6848FE.506%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 01:27:42 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2813">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2813">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2813">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2813">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 2011/2/24 Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 17:48 +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So in the mean time, we have to rely on guess made from packagers on +</I>>>><i> what would be the best application to use _if_ people did install more +</I>>>><i> applications and didn't remove the installed default one, nor +</I>>>><i> cleaned/move the entry ( because for some reason, it seems that no one +</I>>>><i> ever do it ). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But this is flawed logic, IF a user manually installs a new app that means +</I>>><i> he is interested in using it, so it shouldn't be hidden away behind +</I>>><i> "More". There is no guessing involved for apps that aren't installed by +</I>>><i> default, those apps that a users needs to install manually should NEVER +</I>>><i> disappear behind "More"! +</I> +Agree 100% + +><i> Well, personal experiences differ, we all know that. Although I can +</I>><i> understand the reasoning behind this last remark, I can't remember +</I>><i> that I ever read a user complaining about the "More" feature within +</I>><i> years of forum reading. Either people really did not regard it as such +</I>><i> a nuisance or if they did they easily changed it with the menue +</I>><i> editor. +</I>><i> I also experienced that people who install apps the manual way tend to +</I>><i> place them on the desktop (create an icon) rather for quick access +</I>><i> than care for putting them in the menue. +</I> +I have never complained about that *very* *annoying* feature. And I am +sure many others annoyed by it haven't complained in a forum. +Having a nice stable easily accessible menu, in alphabetical order works +best for me. +(If there are too many items for one column in the menu page, +automatically add a parallel column, as used to be the case.) +If someone wants that cache-cache behavior, at least it should be an +option, and not fixed. (e.g,, as in Microsoft windows, where +cache-cache is the default, but it can be disabled with a readily +accessible option.) +Sure, you can always rearrange the menu, but when eventually the +application is uninstalled, the changes will remain in the menu. Another +unnecessary nuisance. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2813">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2813">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2813">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2813">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002814.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002814.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..039d23f9a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002814.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6852B0.2070801%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002813.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002816.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6852B0.2070801%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 02:09:04 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2814">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2814">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2814">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2814">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 20:30 +0200, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>>><i> On 24.02.2011 18:57, Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27 +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>>>>>><i> "More" +</I>>>>>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>>>>>><i> what we have +</I>>>>>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>>>>>><i> "simplicity", +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>>>>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>>>>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>>>>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>>>>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>>>>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>>>>><i> : +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I> +What these studies refer to is how much information the average person +can keep in short-term memory. Many such studies seem to indicate 3-5 +items (depending on the person), others give as much as 7-9. +The variance is probably related to the complexity of information used +in the study, or how it was presented. (And maybe also whether the +subjects were fully awake at the time :) ) + +This doesn't relate to menu display, which is related to the ability to +find what one wants in reading a list. +By default the Mandriva menus are displayed in alphabetical order, which +is useful to anyone familiar with the latin alphabet. + +In the past (it could have been "Mandrake" or even "RedHat"), when there +were too many items in a menu page to display in a single column, the +overflow items were displayed in a second column. I don't remember if +that was a special configuration, but I found it much better than the +scrolling that we can encounter otherwise, when there are too many items +for one column. +And certainly much better than an additional submenu. +I see this overflow column concept as being much like tabbed browsing. +Until one has seen it, it can be difficult to appreciate the advantage. +But once one has tried it, it becomes almost essential. + +>><i> Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to +</I>>><i> keep the current system? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not think so. What chunk of informations do you take in account ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, +</I>>><i> Tools, Tools->System submenus. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By submenu, you mean the "more" submenu ? I fail to understand what do +</I>><i> you have exactly, can you provides a screenshot ? +</I> +Those menus all all submenus (or submenus of submenus) of the main menu +page. (Levels 2 and 3, if you prefer.) + +>><i> With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the +</I>>><i> ~7 you mention. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Depend, what is the process that you are wanting to improve ? +</I>><i> ( and closer is not good enough, even if 15 is nearer to 7 than 20, +</I>><i> that's still too much and a different process is used ( according to +</I>><i> studies )) +</I> +I don't know of any study that says that 7 or 9 is too many items for a +_menu_. Very few menu pages have that few items. +However, I do see a disadvantage of having to scroll a menu with too +many items for one fully visible column. Whence my suggestion of +reverting to the 2-column (or overflow column) menu display as described +above. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2814">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2814">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2814">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2814">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002815.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002815.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7e3ba28ba --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002815.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D687DD1.1050405%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002812.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002813.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D687DD1.1050405%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 05:13:05 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2815">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2815">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2815">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2815">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 10:33:42, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>>><i> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 09:19 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 01:12:07, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> What need to be taken in account too is also the case +</I>>>>><i> Internet => 5-7 apps. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Having : +</I>>>>><i> Internet => 5-7 submenus => 1 app entry +</I>>>>><i> is IMHO clearly suboptimal. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> ( ie, 1 step more to get application , on a total of 3, that's a lot ). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Does it happen ? In a default Mandriva KDE installation I already have +</I>>>><i> more than 10 internet applications. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I do not use kde, but that doesn't sound good. +</I>>><i> What are the entries ? Are all of them really needed ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - akregator +</I>><i> - kaddressbook +</I>><i> - kmail +</I>><i> - network center (mandriva) +</I>><i> - kbluetooth +</I>><i> - kget (download manager) +</I>><i> - knetattach (= add a network +</I>><i> - knode : newsgroups reader (unless I installed it manually, not sure) +</I>><i> - konqueror +</I>><i> - kontact +</I>><i> - konversation +</I>><i> - kopete +</I>><i> - korganizer +</I>><i> - kppp +</I>><i> - krdc +</I>><i> - krfb +</I>><i> - ktorrent (unless I installed it manually) +</I>><i> - firefox +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I agree that many of those will not be used by most people +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I prefer 3 quick steps rather than 2 long steps. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This would requires some testing and measures to see which is faster, +</I>>><i> which is more confusing. Fcrozat did some tests, but I think the report +</I>>><i> were not published :/ +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And KDE gives you the +</I>>>><i> "recently used applications" on top of the menu, so the extra step is no +</I>>>><i> big deal. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Shall I remind that there is more than KDE in the world ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, because it suggests I forgot it, which is not the case :) +</I>><i> But you mean there is no such functionality in GNOME and other commonly used +</I>><i> environments ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel +</I> +Gnome doesn't put recently used applications on top. (Just switched to +test it.) +Neither does the default Mandriva menu, which I usually use. (At least +not by default.) One problem with that feature is that it can be +difficult to know where to look for a particular app, because it won't +always be in the same place. But if there were a line separating recent +and others, and both groups were in alphabetical order, it would be +easier to find things. But I don't if know any menu system does that. +I don't know if Gnome uses a "Plus/More" menu, as the menu lists are +much shorter than the Mandriva menus. +(Partly because much is missing from the tools menus. But also the +icons are smaller, which is nice. Unfortunately some submenus aren't +translated.) + +Mandriva menus do use a "Plus" submenu. (called that in french.) +Previously sometimes has been used in a menu with only about 7 items, +but currently only appears in one menu approaching the bottom of the page. +(The overflow menu had one item, I removed one item from the parent, and +the overflow menu is still there with one item.) + +-- +André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2815">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2815">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2815">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2815">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002816.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002816.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f7ae3a8e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002816.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102260715.58187.blinov.vyacheslav%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002814.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002817.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Blinov Vyacheslav</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102260715.58187.blinov.vyacheslav%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">blinov.vyacheslav at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 05:15:57 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2816">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2816">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2816">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2816">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>В сообщении от Пятница 25 февраля 2011 20:38:49 автор Maarten Vanraes написал: +><i> Op vrijdag 25 februari 2011 01:12:07 schreef Michael Scherer: +</I>><i> > Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 00:09 +0200, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > No idea. IMO finding the wanted application is faster when it goes +</I>><i> > > Internet => 5-7 submenus => each with 2-5 app entries +</I>><i> > > instead of the current +</I>><i> > > Internet => 20 app entries, plus 10 more in "More" +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yes. But I think that what some people want is +</I>><i> > Internet => 30 apps. +</I>><i> > ( ie, suppress More ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with Anssi on this, but personally, i like even more Internet => 30 +</I>><i> apps. than an illogical submenu "More" which doesn't mean anything. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> in fact, what i usually do, is go to the more link, so that both are shown, +</I>><i> and then i scan where the program is, that i want. an alphabetical list of +</I>><i> 30 would even be better than something like this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my internet and tools menu also is cluttered with 20+ apps. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> so, personally, by preference: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. usefull subcategorisation of Internet +</I>><i> 2. long alphabetical list of Internet +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> 999. i die +</I>><i> 1000. more submenu +</I> +Likewise I have => 26 development apps and only i18n apps are subcategorised. +Subcategorisation is good, it's already done in openSuSe for all the submenus. +-- +Vyacheslav Blinov aka Dant3/Dante +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2816">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2816">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2816">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2816">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002817.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002817.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..868ecddf9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002817.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D688BA9.2080400%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002816.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002818.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D688BA9.2080400%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 06:12:09 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2817">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2817">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2817">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2817">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> Now with LVM, what do I do? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Pretty much exactly the same, if that's what you want. LVM is just a +</I>><i> layer of indirection that you place on top of *only* those partitions +</I>><i> you want LVM to control. It lets you create multiple "virtual" +</I>><i> partitions each of which includes one or more physical partitions. In +</I>><i> the minimal case, you can partition exactly as you would without LVM, +</I>><i> but make each of the Mageia partitions an LV formatted as ext4 (or +</I>><i> whatever) rather than a physical ext4. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The difference is that later on if you need to expand one of these 1-1 +</I>><i> LVM partitions, all you do is create another physical partition +</I>><i> *somewhere* - either on that physical disk or another you add - and tell +</I>><i> LVM to make that new physical partition part of the LV you want to +</I>><i> expand. The original physical partition on which you based the LVM +</I>><i> stays exactly where it is without change, and the Logical Volume just +</I>><i> magically increases in size by the size of the new physical partition +</I>><i> you added. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Using LVM for some or all of Mageia has no effect on your ability to use +</I>><i> standard partitioning for other partitions on these disks. +</I> +It occurs to me that LVM (which I have only tested a long time ago) +would play nicely on a large disk with a gpt partition table. +Just divide the disk into a lot of reasonably-sized partitions (the +limit for a default gpt table is 128 (primary) partitions, and let LVM +combine them as appropriate, being dynamically reassociable as needed. + +Then if you want to do a clean install of a new Mageia (or other) +release, could you just reformat the partitions you want (excluding +/home and whatever other partitions you want to keep), without problem +with LVM ? + +If so, that would be nice. +The trick of course would be to ensure that you assign directories to +partitions in an appropriate manner. + +some random thoughts ... :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2817">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2817">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2817">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2817">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002818.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002818.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2428d47dc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002818.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%0A%20other%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D689132.7040303%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002817.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002820.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%0A%20other%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D689132.7040303%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 06:35:46 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? 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+</I>>>><i> (Remember we already have that discussion) +</I>>>><i> "half free" :-) +</I>>>><i> "maybe free" +</I>>>><i> "free& maybe patent-free in your country"/release +</I>>>><i> "not sure" (special idiocraty for blino&pterjan) (me slapping enael +</I>>>><i> for having let those guys view that film) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As a side note, let me protest against this. I was a victim and had to +</I>>><i> watch it 3 or 4 times +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i'm really curious about the movie now... +</I> +me too :) + +actually, any of those suggestions would be an improvement ;) +I did suggest "contrained". +Ubuntu uses "restricted" and/or "multiverse" (which include mostly +non-free packages), and there were a lot of other suggestions. +There was only ONE that seemed inappropriate. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2818">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2818">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2818">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2818">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002819.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002819.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74fc4995f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002819.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Test day today + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Test%20day%20today&In-Reply-To=%3C20110226091640.GB10081%40shikamaru.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002822.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Test day today</H1> + <B>Remy CLOUARD</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Test%20day%20today&In-Reply-To=%3C20110226091640.GB10081%40shikamaru.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Test day today">shikamaru at mandriva.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 10:16:40 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2819">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2819">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2819">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2819">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, you may have or may not have seen it, we plan to do a test day today +for mageia alpha 1 iso. + +The plan is to test both install and upgrade from mandriva 2010.1. + +You can see all the details in the blog article there: +<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=530">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=530</A> + +Thanks in advance for your participation ! 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I was a victim and had to +</I>>>><i> watch it 3 or 4 times +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> i'm really curious about the movie now... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> me too :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> actually, any of those suggestions would be an improvement ;) +</I>><i> I did suggest "contrained". +</I>><i> Ubuntu uses "restricted" and/or "multiverse" (which include mostly +</I>><i> non-free packages), and there were a lot of other suggestions. +</I>><i> There was only ONE that seemed inappropriate. +</I> +Ubuntu's "multiverse" and "restricted" contain non-free packages only. +Packages in "tainted" are all free packages. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002821.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2820">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2820">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2820">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2820">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002821.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002821.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e2e0d66a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002821.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%0A%20other%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D696087.4040100%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002820.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002822.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%0A%20other%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D696087.4040100%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 21:20:23 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 26.02.2011 07:35, andre999 wrote: +</I>... +>><i> actually, any of those suggestions would be an improvement ;) +</I>>><i> I did suggest "contrained". +</I>>><i> Ubuntu uses "restricted" and/or "multiverse" (which include mostly +</I>>><i> non-free packages), and there were a lot of other suggestions. +</I>>><i> There was only ONE that seemed inappropriate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ubuntu's "multiverse" and "restricted" contain non-free packages only. +</I>><i> Packages in "tainted" are all free packages. +</I> +ok +just the Ubuntu web site repository descriptions indicate that +patent-threatened or legally restricted packages would go into these +repositories, along with the usual non-free. +I have no idea what they do in practice. + +do you mean that you consider that non-free packages should go into +non-free, even if threatened by legal or patent constraints ? + +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002822.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002822.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3be1d86ae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/002822.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%0A%20other%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D697F40.4020601%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002821.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002819.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%0A%20other%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D697F40.4020601%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Feb 26 23:31:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002821.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-dev] Test day today +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 26.02.2011 22:20, andre999 wrote: +><i> Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On 26.02.2011 07:35, andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> ... +</I>>>><i> actually, any of those suggestions would be an improvement ;) +</I>>>><i> I did suggest "contrained". +</I>>>><i> Ubuntu uses "restricted" and/or "multiverse" (which include mostly +</I>>>><i> non-free packages), and there were a lot of other suggestions. +</I>>>><i> There was only ONE that seemed inappropriate. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Ubuntu's "multiverse" and "restricted" contain non-free packages only. +</I>>><i> Packages in "tainted" are all free packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ok +</I>><i> just the Ubuntu web site repository descriptions indicate that +</I>><i> patent-threatened or legally restricted packages would go into these +</I>><i> repositories, along with the usual non-free. +</I>><i> I have no idea what they do in practice. +</I> +They have fully enabled ffmpeg in main, and mplayer,x264,lame in +universe. So patent-constrained pkgs do not appear to be put in multiverse. + +><i> do you mean that you consider that non-free packages should go into +</I>><i> non-free, even if threatened by legal or patent constraints ? +</I> +Well, those don't really belong to either, so I'm unsure what would be +done with those. However, I'm not aware of any such packages so it is a +moot point :) + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002821.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-dev] Test day today +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e8a22f768 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110226/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 26 February 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>26 February 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Feb 26 01:00:01 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Feb 26 23:31:28 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 11<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-dev] Test day today +</A><A NAME="2819"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2820"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2822"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2812"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2816"> </A> +<I>Blinov Vyacheslav +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2813"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2814"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2815"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? 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