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I think we would have to patch ALL upstream desktop files to +</I>><i> > get rid of it which would be quite a pain. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Oliver +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such "More" +</I>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for what we have +</I>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring "simplicity", +</I> +Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). + +So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one : +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> + +><i> but I +</I>><i> always hated that choice, because nobody can know in advance whether an +</I>><i> application will show in the first level or be hidden in the "more" section. +</I> +Technically, nobody can know in advance if a software is installed or +not. Sure, that's a problem to give support to someone by phone or to +write documentation. But IMHO, it is better to have uncluttered menus, +as a menu is basically used more often than the support. Of course, from +the person giving support, the benefit of having someone else menu +uncluttered are near 0, as they do not use the system of someone else. + +><i> I prefer a 2-level menu tree. If people find that it makes too much clicks, +</I> +This is not the number of click, but the fact that it take a longer time +to scan the whole menu. Like reading a article with and without carriage +return. The number of word to read are the same, but it is easier with +carriage return, because this doesn't require any form of coordination +( ie, this is not on the same cognitive level ). + +I am not sure if I am clear enough, but on the other hand, I fear that +explaining the whole topic would requires much more time, and time have +showed that people hate when I explain them ergonomics ( as seen on +various rpmdrake bugs ). + +><i> then +</I>><i> they shouldn't be using the menu but add a shortcut to the applications they +</I>><i> use regularly in their taskbar or desktop (or just use ALT+F2). +</I> +So if you do not like the current system, you can just add a shortcut or +use "alt + F2", and that's all :) + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002776.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2772">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2772">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2772">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2772">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |