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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight</H1>
+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ <I>Wed Sep 14 21:53:53 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 20:45:03, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 &#224; 17:50 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 16:46:19, Michael scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so tonight, meeting time ( packager, bug triager, QA, and all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; are invited, and there will be free food in the fridge ( not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mine, but yours, of course )).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Planning :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - security updates ( ennael || misc )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - maintainers assignation ( misc )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - apprentice ( andre )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And that would be IMHO enough for this evening ( short, etc )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know if it's the right meeting for it, but I would like us to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; talk again about bug 2317 <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that blocks updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We tried to previously chosen solution &quot;link from Release to Updates&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but we run into dependency nightmares such as in the end the solution
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would almost lead to copy the whole Release media into Updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Without proof of the contrary, I tend to think that fixing MageiaUpdate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would be a lot less work than the workaround we are trying to use which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; : - still needs work from the sysadmins
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - gives a lot of work to QA, that would be better used for testing the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates - forces us to link a lot of packages if we really want to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sure the update never fails
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What I would like is a firm and courageous decision (we already talked a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lot of this issue without much progress until now) that we set a date
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (soon) before which this problem will be completely solved, whatever the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We really would like to have this issue solved and allow to concentrate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on other important stuff (such as security updates for example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no one does the patch, nothing will move. And I doubt that telling
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;do the patch&quot; would make it appear, but I can try :
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel, can you produce a fix for the 18th september ?
+</I>
+Well, I thought we have a couple people capable of tweaking urpmi's code very
+very better than me, but yes, I can try to move earth and heavens, ask for
+help because I don't know urpmi and MageiaUpdate's code at all, and try to
+make sure the problem is fixed soon. I'll say &quot;the problem must be fixed before
+the 18th of september, please help me doing it right or you risk having me do
+it&quot;
+
+Or I could trick someone into becoming the maintainer and tell him/her to fix
+the bug per the packager team leaders' will
+
+I think you underestimate the power of a decision. Once a decision has been
+taken, then your &quot;minions&quot; can stop chatting and move together towards the
+goal. The objective is clear, the the saying &quot;when there's a will there's a
+way&quot; is often really true.
+
+So, who can help me ? tv ? blino ? pterjan ?
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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