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Solbu wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in +</I>>>>>><i> the +</I>>>>>><i> "core" tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i +</I>>>>>><i> understand +</I>>>>>><i> you correctly?) +</I>>>>><i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free +</I>>>>><i> stuff +</I>>>>><i> shouldn't be in core. That being said, it isn't the problem here. The +</I>>>>><i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. It should be, based +</I>>>>><i> on +</I>>>>><i> prompting the user during install. Those who want a totally free system +</I>>>>><i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require +</I>>>>><i> the +</I>>>>><i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly. +</I>>>>><i> Putting +</I>>>>><i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that +</I>>>>><i> enabling +</I>>>>><i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more +</I>>>>><i> complicated +</I>>>>><i> than it ought to be. By the time a user boots his installed system, +</I>>>>><i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there. +</I>>>><i> By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online +</I>>>><i> repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a +</I>>>><i> mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the +</I>>>><i> non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> What about if I don't have internet access ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then he should use the liveCD. As has been in Mandriva. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> If it is just a matter of asking to user whether or not he wants to install +</I>>><i> non free firmware, then just go! But if the user with no internet access is +</I>>><i> stuck because of firmware absence, then that's just stupid! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This has been the same in Mandriva times: +</I>><i> - an installation DVD as Free Edition without non-free stuff +</I>><i> - installable LiveCDs including non-free drivers. +</I> +Are we talking about non-free _drivers_ or _firmware_ ? + +Mandriva free DVD didn't contain non-free _drivers_, but _did_ contain +non free _firmwares_. +I am quite sure of this because we are able to run Edgeport serial +devices which needs non free firmware (io_ti driver) with Mandriva free DVD. + +If you remove the non-free firmware, then such kind of material won't +work anymore. + +Absence of non-free drivers generally don't prevent system from running +(eg for graphic card, you can still use Vesa driver). But Absence of +firmware will prevent hardware from running ... + + +Xavier +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009477.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009473.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9481">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9481">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9481">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9481">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |