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This has to be taken into account here. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > When a policy is found it has to be communicated very well, especially +</I>><i> >> > if that policy means that the user can not have foo-1.1 in his stable +</I>><i> >> > Mageia 1. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > This is important because former Mandriva users were used to get +</I>><i> >> > almost all new versions backported, if not officially then in 3rd +</I>><i> >> > party repos like MIB or MUD. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > -- +</I>><i> >> > wobo +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> As wobo mentioned, people like latest and greatest software. I think, +</I>><i> >> except a few users will use unofficial 3rd party repos to get latest +</I>><i> >> software. While i was maintaining MVT (Mandriva Turkiye) repository, +</I>><i> >> our users asked for GNOME 2.32 while Mandriva have GNOME 2.30 on +</I>><i> >> official release. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And others people mentioned that people want also stable software and do +</I>><i> > not want changes. But as I said, what people want is not as important +</I>><i> > than what we can do, and so the decision is in the end of those that do +</I>><i> > the work rather than what people want, because if no one does the work, +</I>><i> > nothing happen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, in principle this is correct, not in this case as I have +</I>><i> explained as a very common example. You can decide whatever you want, +</I>><i> if a user wants a certain package and his friend will pack it for him +</I>><i> and puts it up on a server, publishing the existence - then you will +</I>><i> see what happens. You know by experience how popular such 3rd-party +</I>><i> repos can become (see MIB, MUD), just because somebody had a different +</I>><i> view than the official view. +</I> +Then someone did it the job. Maybe not correctly from a technical point +of view, with all the problem this can create ( lack of audit and +reproductability, as I seen while trying to understand MIB stuff, non +integration with the rest of the distribution, since this requires to +type command line etc, breakage of stuff like upgrade of version ), but +still did the work. + +Of course, most of the time, that's not sustainable, but who really care +about that... + +><i> In short: no matter what is more important or not, you have to find a +</I>><i> compromise between the (understandable) search for optimal workflow, +</I>><i> security on one side and the real world of the users on the other. +</I> +Can people please stop saying that "users" are living in the real world, +as this logically imply that others ( ie, "us", for whatever that mean ) +are not ? + +Optimal workflow is solving a real problem for ressources, with impact +on the distribution. Security is a real problem too. That's not because +some people do not see a problem that it doesn't existe or that it is a +fake one. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006041.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006043.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6042">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6042">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6042">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6042">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |