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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] gmane">molch.b at googlemail.com
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+ <I>Wed Jun 15 01:44:47 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>2011/6/15 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 14 juin 2011 &#224; 18:17 +0200, Antoine Pitrou a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;- gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; initial mail is available in gmane. So, people using gmane for posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; will always be behind and may destroy a thread or reply to already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; obsolete points. There were also missing mails in the middle of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; threads which made it unusable for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My experience with gmane is different. Yes it lags a bit but usually by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a couple of minutes. Unless you want to use your mailing-list as some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kind of real-time communication channel (you shouldn't ;-)), this is ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gmane's Web UI is not great but its NNTP gateway, OTOH, works fine for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me, both for reading and posting, using claws-mail as my NNTP client.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And the fact that it doesn't ask you to sign for any kind of account is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the record, I looked at nntp servers when we started the project as
+</I>&gt;<i> it seemed promising and was used by students in a school near my home.
+</I>&gt;<i> But from a sysadmin point of view, there isn't much choice :
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is inn, and some friends told me scary stories about it
+</I>&gt;<i> - cyrus support nntpd but I didn't understood to what extend
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is various half finished servers on freshmeat
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is proprietary servers ( used by giganews, etc )
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is lots of libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is server that do not fullfill our need ( leafnode )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So while it would help a lot ( as you can subscribe to lists using a
+</I>&gt;<i> rich interface without much hassle, get older mails, and unsubscribe at
+</I>&gt;<i> will ), it was not easy to do.
+</I>
+Wow, that puts me back in time more than a decade, when I spent time
+setting up inn on a remote server and leafnode as a local server,
+using Emacs/Gnus as client! :) As much as I appreciated the technical
+quality of this whole system, I would not go through these ordeals
+today. Well, leafnode was easy as a pie, but remembering inn still
+makes my neck hairs stand up and everybody knows that Emacs/Gnus is
+The Beast by definition!
+
+--
+wobo
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