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I know it's not but +</I>>>><i> I always like to make things totally and unequivocally explicit all the +</I>>>><i> same. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I tend to do this in my bash scripts and even in PHP scripts too (tho' +</I>>>><i> annoyingly the PHP delimiters go outside of the variable identifier +</I>>>><i> unlike in RPM macros and bash, so it's syntactically a little different +</I>>>><i> but the same principles apply). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Cheers +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Me, i use both ( this depend if the rpm i work in had it or not ) but +</I>>><i> for new rpm i use %foo. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But i don't see a need to add a policy for %{foo} against %foo. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't understand Ze mail, he ask to use %{foo} and imposed it by +</I>>><i> changing in a spec file stating " i changed the spec layout from %foo +</I>>><i> into %{foo} to be as a reference point, " and then in the same mail i +</I>>><i> read "for example in my specs locally i generally dont use +</I>>><i> delimitations". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> why this mail if you personnaly don't really care about the question ? +</I>>><i> just because mikala wasn't agree with you ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> P.S: yeah i started to have enough now... ( too ) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> being still officially an apprentice, I've been told to use %{...}, but don't +</I>><i> see a problem with omitting where it's not necessary. +</I>><i> For existing specs, I don't see a big need to change things. +</I>><i> As long as it's there where it's really needed. +</I>><i> Let's go with the flow, it's not like it is something that is visible outside +</I>><i> the spec file. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It would be nice to have it clearly documented as to when it is strictly +</I>><i> necessary -- and why. As well as giving a preferred style, if any. +</I>><i> (If that hasn't already been done, of course.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My 2 cents :) +</I>Actually, what about the "System Macros vs. User-Definable Macros" +section in <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spec_syntax">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spec_syntax</A> ? +I don't get this whole discussion, as it seems to be defined really clear, no? + +But also i'd like to see SPECIFIC cases, where curly braces must be used, +and for what exact reason. Argumenting "should be used, looks better" or +"should not be used, i was told" is not the right way, seems to me. + +Regards +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007440.html">[Mageia-dev] %{foo} vs. %foo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007415.html">[Mageia-dev] %{foo} vs. %foo +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7448">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7448">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7448">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7448">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |