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It's hard to +catch in all these posts. I think the main probem with Mandriva One +releases was lack of space. It will still a problem for Mageia Live CD +releases. Also, it is very cofusing for Mandriva/Mageia newbies to +determine which iso image contains their native language support and +i'm sure it brings more effort to maintain so many one cd isos and +waste of server/mirror space. + +I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live +enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? + +It is obvious which packages included in Live cd. When creating an iso +(draklive?) livecd creation tool strips all locale files except +english ones and create seperate packages per locale. These packages, +ie. mageia-one-kde4-locale-tr includes all locale files corresponding +with included apps/packages in mageia-one-kde4.iso. + +When user boots with live cd (mageia-one?) a dialog appears and asks +which locale he/she would use with live environment. Then if it +detects internet connection, downloads this mageia-one specific +package (mageia-one-kde4-locale-tr.rpm for Turkish locale in +mageia-one-kde4) and adds tr locale /etc/rpm/macros file. + +So, there will be only one live cd image on mirrors per DE, there will +be room for apps in live cd iso, people will not confused for +localized isos. + +What do you think? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1339">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1339">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1339">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1339">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001340.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001340.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ea0e700bc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001340.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim0zRrLsv0R-9a98oW9GppORXSp%2Bm7pgQ58Aok4%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001339.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001341.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim0zRrLsv0R-9a98oW9GppORXSp%2Bm7pgQ58Aok4%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 11:29:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001339.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1340">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1340">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1340">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1340">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 25 October 2010 11:16, atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> I don't know if this proposal is even mentioned before. It's hard to +</I>><i> catch in all these posts. I think the main probem with Mandriva One +</I>><i> releases was lack of space. It will still a problem for Mageia Live CD +</I>><i> releases. Also, it is very cofusing for Mandriva/Mageia newbies to +</I>><i> determine which iso image contains their native language support and +</I>><i> i'm sure it brings more effort to maintain so many one cd isos and +</I>><i> waste of server/mirror space. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live +</I>><i> enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is obvious which packages included in Live cd. When creating an iso +</I>><i> (draklive?) livecd creation tool strips all locale files except +</I>><i> english ones and create seperate packages per locale. These packages, +</I>><i> ie. mageia-one-kde4-locale-tr includes all locale files corresponding +</I>><i> with included apps/packages in mageia-one-kde4.iso. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When user boots with live cd (mageia-one?) a dialog appears and asks +</I>><i> which locale he/she would use with live environment. Then if it +</I>><i> detects internet connection, downloads this mageia-one specific +</I>><i> package (mageia-one-kde4-locale-tr.rpm for Turkish locale in +</I>><i> mageia-one-kde4) and adds tr locale /etc/rpm/macros file. +</I>><i> +</I> +And if there's no active internet connection at installation time? + +><i> So, there will be only one live cd image on mirrors per DE, there will +</I>><i> be room for apps in live cd iso, people will not confused for +</I>><i> localized isos. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you think? +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001339.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1340">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1340">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1340">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1340">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001341.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001341.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5f86a229c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001341.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%0A%09Cd%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3C000f01cb7427%244f84c940%24ee8e5bc0%24%40de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001340.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001342.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%0A%09Cd%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3C000f01cb7427%244f84c940%24ee8e5bc0%24%40de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 11:30:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1341">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1341">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1341">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1341">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- +Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von atilla ontas + +><i> I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live +</I>><i> enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you think? +</I> +As I installed Ubuntu last weekend myself, I want to mention my POV to that mechanism. +It's hard for those who doesn't want or can't connect to the internet during installation, but for those may the One be the wrong installation method. +The bigger problem in the current state of the ubuntu installation process is, that you have to enter the passphrase for a wireless connection with the wrong keyboard layout. After that you where prompted to enter a key for the gnome keyring and it wasn't clear at that time which keyboard layout is used. Also in the end of the installation where you have to enter a password for the user. + +So, if Mageia wants to offer an similar method, we need to take care of that. + +Regards, +Thorsten + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1341">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1341">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1341">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1341">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001342.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001342.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a2553a48c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001342.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinkoypy6Ok%3DJUe7Q6VMnCoFMqwa1SRwwhWUf-Ly%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001341.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001343.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinkoypy6Ok%3DJUe7Q6VMnCoFMqwa1SRwwhWUf-Ly%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 12:32:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1342">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1342">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1342">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1342">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if there's no active internet connection at installation time? +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, they will use live environment in english after installation and +install corresponding package like normal package installation. That's +all. The situation in my proposal with no internet is same as the +locales do not have supported in live cd releases. i.e. Azerbaijani. +If someone needs full locale or packages support it already have to +install from Free dvd release. Don't they? + +2010/10/25 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +><i> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- +</I>><i> Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von atilla ontas +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live +</I>>><i> enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What do you think? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As I installed Ubuntu last weekend myself, I want to mention my POV to that mechanism. +</I>><i> It's hard for those who doesn't want or can't connect to the internet during installation, but for those may the One be the wrong installation method. +</I>><i> The bigger problem in the current state of the ubuntu installation process is, that you have to enter the passphrase for a wireless connection with the wrong keyboard layout. After that you where prompted to enter a key for the gnome keyring and it wasn't clear at that time which keyboard layout is used. Also in the end of the installation where you have to enter a password for the user. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, if Mageia wants to offer an similar method, we need to take care of that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Thorsten +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Wireless connections are mostly issues in free dvd releases too. +People have to enable non-free repository and install wireless drivers +on most cases. Also, misconfiguration of keyboard layout is a serious +problem than having native language support, you must find right key +kombination to setup and use root password. So, i can' t agree with +this issue, it is not related just with my proposal but with entire +system. + +I think my proposal have much more pros than cons. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1342">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1342">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1342">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1342">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001343.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001343.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..15ece61cd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001343.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DcQSe5aD46ugcyuN3HZqVgFSCwosQYiDmyLgP0%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001342.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001344.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>rom1dep</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DcQSe5aD46ugcyuN3HZqVgFSCwosQYiDmyLgP0%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">rom1dep at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:04:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1343">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1343">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1343">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1343">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> 2010/10/25 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And if there's no active internet connection at installation time? +</I>>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, they will use live environment in english after installation and +</I>><i> install corresponding package like normal package installation. That's +</I>><i> all. The situation in my proposal with no internet is same as the +</I>><i> locales do not have supported in live cd releases. i.e. Azerbaijani. +</I>><i> If someone needs full locale or packages support it already have to +</I>><i> install from Free dvd release. Don't they? +</I> +Then, all of this must be explained to the user, plus the current +keyboard layout must be explicit and the user should easily be able to +switch from a layout to another (for example, when I read english, I +prefer having an english keyboard, even if physically it's an azerty +-french- one...) + +><i> 2010/10/25 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +</I>>><i> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- +</I>>><i> Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von atilla ontas +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live +</I>>>><i> enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What do you think? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As I installed Ubuntu last weekend myself, I want to mention my POV to that mechanism. +</I>>><i> It's hard for those who doesn't want or can't connect to the internet during installation, but for those may the One be the wrong installation method. +</I>>><i> The bigger problem in the current state of the ubuntu installation process is, that you have to enter the passphrase for a wireless connection with the wrong keyboard layout. After that you where prompted to enter a key for the gnome keyring and it wasn't clear at that time which keyboard layout is used. Also in the end of the installation where you have to enter a password for the user. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, if Mageia wants to offer an similar method, we need to take care of that. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regards, +</I>>><i> Thorsten +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wireless connections are mostly issues in free dvd releases too. +</I>><i> People have to enable non-free repository and install wireless drivers +</I>><i> on most cases. Also, misconfiguration of keyboard layout is a serious +</I>><i> problem than having native language support, you must find right key +</I>><i> kombination to setup and use root password. So, i can' t agree with +</I>><i> this issue, it is not related just with my proposal but with entire +</I>><i> system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think my proposal have much more pros than cons. +</I>><i> +</I> +IMHO we don't care about that anymore if we start thinking on a one +edition that is a live DVD instead of a live CD : who cares ? (while +there remains a mini/net install that requires less than 700MB of a CD +of course...) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1343">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1343">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1343">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1343">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001344.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001344.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5c14d04f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001344.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DguW7EsDM5fYBFP6JdByATqaRY78aK_-u2_bJX%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001343.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001354.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DguW7EsDM5fYBFP6JdByATqaRY78aK_-u2_bJX%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:10:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1344">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1344">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1344">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1344">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 25 October 2010 12:32, atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2010/10/25 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And if there's no active internet connection at installation time? +</I>>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, they will use live environment in english after installation and +</I>><i> install corresponding package like normal package installation. That's +</I>><i> all. The situation in my proposal with no internet is same as the +</I>><i> locales do not have supported in live cd releases. i.e. Azerbaijani. +</I>><i> If someone needs full locale or packages support it already have to +</I>><i> install from Free dvd release. Don't they? +</I>><i> +</I> +So instead of having a few un-localised installations, e.g. +Azerbaijani, we force all users with no active internet connection to +do an installation in English even if they don't know any English? +This isn't ideal. + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1344">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1344">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1344">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1344">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001345.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001345.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9ab65b309 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001345.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%0A%09Cd%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3C001001cb7435%248263fa30%24872bee90%24%40de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001354.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001346.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%0A%09Cd%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3C001001cb7435%248263fa30%24872bee90%24%40de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:12:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1345">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1345">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1345">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1345">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i>2010/10/25 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +</I>>><i> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- +</I>>><i> Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von atilla ontas +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live +</I>>>><i> enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What do you think? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As I installed Ubuntu last weekend myself, I want to mention my POV to that mechanism. +</I>>><i> It's hard for those who doesn't want or can't connect to the internet during installation, but for those may the >One be the wrong installation method. +</I>>><i> The bigger problem in the current state of the ubuntu installation process is, that you have to enter the >passphrase for a wireless connection with the wrong keyboard layout. After that you where prompted to enter a key >for the gnome keyring and it wasn't clear at that time which keyboard layout is used. Also in the end of the >installation where you have to enter a password for the user. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, if Mageia wants to offer an similar method, we need to take care of that. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regards, +</I>>><i> Thorsten +</I>>><i> +</I>><i>Also, misconfiguration of keyboard layout is a serious +</I>><i>problem than having native language support, you must find right key +</I>><i>kombination to setup and use root password. So, i can' t agree with +</I>><i>this issue, it is not related just with my proposal but with entire +</I>><i>system. +</I> + + +It's not about missconfiguration in general. It's about configuring the keyboard layout before entering any passphares, names or whatever and not the other way around. But this could lead to other problems. Just an example: + +First boot the Live version. You have to be asked which language you prefer, than which keyboard layout you need and not till then you can setup the wireless connection, otherwise unexperienced user may get serious problems. + +After that all further dialogs can be displayed in the selected language. If there is no working internet connection, all dialogs remains in English (although you selected another language). + +I'm not against your proposal in general, but if the Mageia community decides to implement it, we need to take care of such things and make it well-rounded. To mean something well isn't always to do something well. + +Regards, +Thorsten + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1345">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1345">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1345">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1345">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001346.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001346.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..44ad7c23d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001346.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DYOTjGJyg7JWyVNx04pD2PGcvoi92Ro49xNcAM%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001345.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001348.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DYOTjGJyg7JWyVNx04pD2PGcvoi92Ro49xNcAM%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:25:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1346">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1346">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1346">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1346">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Then, let's expand propasal according to your critisms. What do you +say about, only include english locale plus all locales just for drak +tools? So, user selects F2 in grub screen then sees the warning in +his/her native language that user should install corresponding locale +package? + +Also, when i was talking about locale packages, just talking about +/usr/share/locale/iso_code/LC_Messages directory and .mo files. Not +whole locale and keyboard layouts. User can select layout in grub +screen, like opensuse's or ubuntu's grub. + +Btw, ubuntu, opensuse, fedora etc. don't provide localized live cd +isos but they have their international and local communities. Don't +they? +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1346">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1346">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1346">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1346">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001347.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001347.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fb6028afe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001347.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTiktu%2B2K_k-YDT6c3WP9%2BqjFbfRRuMX-jNhK_P8c%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001355.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001356.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTiktu%2B2K_k-YDT6c3WP9%2BqjFbfRRuMX-jNhK_P8c%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:27:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1347">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1347">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1347">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1347">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> First boot the Live version. You have to be asked which language you prefer, than which keyboard layout you need and not till then you can setup the wireless connection, otherwise unexperienced user may get serious problems. +</I>><i> After that all further dialogs can be displayed in the selected language. If there is no working internet connection, all dialogs remains in English (although you selected another language). +</I> +Agreed. The language and keyboard selection have to be the first thing +to do at installation time, everything (I mean EVERYTHING) else has to +come afterwards. There is no way around that. The majority of people +around the world does not understand English, although it is one of +the "world languages". So, not putting language selection on first +place makes it hard for the majority of people. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1347">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1347">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1347">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1347">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001348.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001348.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..439a3e600 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001348.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D6TurBzGYk_w9mpZTdLo8zt%2Bgb5euT192c9BYW%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001346.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001349.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D6TurBzGYk_w9mpZTdLo8zt%2Bgb5euT192c9BYW%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:32:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1348">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1348">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1348">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1348">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Btw, ubuntu, opensuse, fedora etc. don't provide localized live cd +</I>><i> isos but they have their international and local communities. Don't +</I>><i> they? +</I> +That's not true. In all of those distros language selection comes +first in installation. I installed Ubuntu 10.10 from the normal live +cd without internet connection and language selection came first. Same +with openSUSE. I strongly recommend to keep language selection on the +first step, no matter which way of installation you chose. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1348">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1348">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1348">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1348">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001349.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001349.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1b1354dcd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001349.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimfYLWyyC0GjVvLU4FVBEaNwxsm%2B5H9L0PWiV0d%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001348.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001350.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimfYLWyyC0GjVvLU4FVBEaNwxsm%2B5H9L0PWiV0d%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 13:52:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1349">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1349">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1349">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1349">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> That's not true. In all of those distros language selection comes +</I>><i> first in installation. I installed Ubuntu 10.10 from the normal live +</I>><i> cd without internet connection and language selection came first. Same +</I>><i> with openSUSE. I strongly recommend to keep language selection on the +</I>><i> first step, no matter which way of installation you chose. +</I> +That's not what i mean wobo. Those distros do not provide localized +isos, not OpenSuse-Gnome-europas-americas1.iso. OpenSuse installs +i.e. turkish locale packages after installation (and it even can't +provide Traditional Turkish F keyboard layout. in any meanings with +yast) + +Also, i do not mean to languge selection comes later. Pls, read +carefully my previous posts and try to understand what i want to mean. + +If we will release a Mandriva One like live cd then my proposal's +whole concept is: +1- User boots with mageiaone +2- User selects keyboard layout; Mandriva One's grub configuration is +capable for that. +3- Live cd starts to loading ram +3- A dialog popup appears and asks if he/she wans to select language +4- If an active internet connection detected notifies users that +selected languge will downloaded from net otherwise user use live +system in English. After DE starts an if an active connection is +present, installs user's selection of language files while installing +on hard disk. + + +I want to make an attention, +If a language doesn't included in Mandriva One release; user will not +have any native language support for outside of DE applications when +he/she install to harddisk Simply, ie. Azerbaijani user *must* install +other packages than DE installed within live cd again to have +Azerbaijani support. Because /etc/rpm/macros file do no let other +language files other than it includes. :) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1349">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1349">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1349">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1349">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001350.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001350.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4b4134074 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001350.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikR7Th6isd9JhjUrnqhQ3qAEOznA%3DWaS-%3DVhdHS%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001349.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001351.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikR7Th6isd9JhjUrnqhQ3qAEOznA%3DWaS-%3DVhdHS%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 14:30:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1350">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1350">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1350">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1350">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> 3- A dialog popup appears and asks if he/she wans to select language +</I>><i> 4- If an active internet connection detected  notifies users that +</I>><i> selected languge will downloaded from net otherwise user use live +</I>><i> system in English. +</I> +This is not a good idea. + +As mobile machines (laptops, netbooks) are more and more replacing the +normal home machine (see sales figures all over the world) we have to +take into account that more and more home internet connections are +running without restricting cables, aka WiFi (not to mention being on +the road). So, either make WiFi available automatically at +installation time (which is not trivial or even may not be possible) +or make locales available at installation time. + +Whatever installation method you use, it has to be available in the +user's language, otherwise he will not install. + +Besides, this is a no-go for the live CD as a demo asset. How could a +user evaluate Mageia when he doesn't understand the language because +there is only WiFI around at the moment he has time to look at the CD? + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1350">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1350">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1350">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1350">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001351.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001351.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2bb04204e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001351.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinOuLC-Nqh%3DFZ1QOo7P8Rpjf_i6v8vMc9S%3Dt53b%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001350.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001352.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinOuLC-Nqh%3DFZ1QOo7P8Rpjf_i6v8vMc9S%3Dt53b%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 14:50:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1351">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1351">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1351">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1351">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> 2010/10/25 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 3- A dialog popup appears and asks if he/she wans to select language +</I>>><i> 4- If an active internet connection detected  notifies users that +</I>>><i> selected languge will downloaded from net otherwise user use live +</I>>><i> system in English. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is not a good idea. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As mobile machines (laptops, netbooks) are more and more replacing the +</I>><i> normal home machine (see sales figures all over the world) we have to +</I>><i> take into account that more and more home internet connections are +</I>><i> running without restricting cables, aka WiFi (not to mention being on +</I>><i> the road). So, either make WiFi available automatically at +</I>><i> installation time (which is not trivial or even may not be possible) +</I>><i> or make locales available at installation time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Whatever installation method you use, it has to be available in the +</I>><i> user's language, otherwise he will not install. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Besides, this is a no-go for the live CD as a demo asset. How could a +</I>><i> user evaluate Mageia when he doesn't understand the language because +</I>><i> there is only WiFI around at the moment he has time to look at the CD? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +I don' t agree, sorry. Live CDs are not demo assets for most of the +people other than europe or america. Their relatively small size and +installation capability make them an installation media for limited +internet users. Most people do not want to install a DVD. + +Also, you haven't noticed but Mandriva One, have an rpm macro that +strips all language files those not included in One. (because of lack +of space on cd) And users must install all applications, including +system packages, i.e. initscripts again to get their native language +support. Look at mandriva translation statistics and see yourself that +waste majority of languages not supporting enough (lack of +translators, of course). For those using a live cd is a pain. I know +that because before my translation efforts for two years and turkish +supported One editions (after 2009.0 release); turkish users could not +use One Cd releases. + +Also, i have proposed that draktools lang files should be included in +all available languages to avoid those problems you have mentioned. +net_apple will in users language and user can establish wi-fi by it. +Thats all. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1351">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1351">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1351">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1351">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001352.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001352.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e55f4fa47 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001352.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimBKzh212y7OhUeZuBib3%2BROvZPH-fPSFd-6mO8%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001351.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001353.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimBKzh212y7OhUeZuBib3%2BROvZPH-fPSFd-6mO8%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 15:17:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001353.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1352">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1352">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1352">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1352">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> I don' t agree, sorry. Live CDs are not demo assets for most of the +</I>><i> people other than europe or america. Their relatively small size and +</I>><i> installation capability make them an installation media for limited +</I>><i> internet users. Most people do not want to install a DVD. +</I> +That's the same here. Most people like the "installable live cd" approach. +Especially those with poor bandwidth which are not so few even in +"industrially civilized countries" :) + +I did not say that "demo" was the only purpose of the live cd, but it +is an important asset in the evaluation stage of the user. Giving a +live CD to an interested Windows user is the best way to demonstrate +the distribution. He boots the live system and should be able to view +it in live mode in his language without searching for a cable +connection. +BTW: You know when is the best time to check such kind of cds? When +travelling! But while travelling in a long distance train or plane you +do not have internet access (well, not always). Or when sitting in a +street café or on the dock of the bay, watching the tide roll in. + +Although such scenarios are different for many, the situations I +described are often enough to be taken into account. We are far away +from "internet everyhwere all the time", but at the same time we are +using computers more and more while out of reach of a cable +connection. So there has to be a localized view for the user without +being tied to an internet connection. + +What is so hard in keeping the Mandriva approach (2 / 3 different cds +with language groups)? If communicated sufficiently users will have no +problem to chose the correct version for their language. Mandriva +could have done that easily by adding a link to the "Download Mandriva +Linux ONE" page which shows all 2 / 3 ONE with a listing of the +supported languages. 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If communicated sufficiently users will have no +</I>><i> problem to chose the correct version for their language. Mandriva +</I>><i> could have done that easily by adding a link to the "Download Mandriva +</I>><i> Linux ONE" page which shows all 2 / 3 ONE with a listing of the +</I>><i> supported languages. Why could we not do it? +</I>><i> +</I> +Well. for those reasons: + +- [Mirror side] Waste of space (see discussions about mirrors; i know +you' re one of the mirror maintainer, don't you?) We have 6 different +types of Mandriva One isos. 2 for GNOME, 4 for KDE. 6x700MB=4200MB +extra space on every mirror. + +- [Content side] Waste of space. Why don't a Mandriva One KDE4 do not +have printer system or k3b? + +- Confusing newbies and even experts minds. I have two times installed +other one cd images than turkish supported one because of a false +mouse click. + +- Most important: Unsupported language users do not have their +language files installed for applications other than desktop +environment related ones. They have to install those apps again even +those applications come with One Cd or find their corresponding .mo +files and copy to /usr/share/locale/iso_code/LC_Messages dir. + +These are reasons to hard keep Mandriva's approach. I'm not a perl +programmer; so i don't know if this proposal could be applied, though. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1353">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1353">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1353">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1353">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001354.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001354.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f7668f862 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001354.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%0A%20Cd%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC5904F.3090803%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001344.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001345.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%0A%20Cd%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC5904F.3090803%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 16:12:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1354">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1354">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1354">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1354">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 25 October 2010 12:32, atilla ontas<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/25 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And if there's no active internet connection at installation time? +</I>>>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Well, they will use live environment in english after installation and +</I>>><i> install corresponding package like normal package installation. That's +</I>>><i> all. The situation in my proposal with no internet is same as the +</I>>><i> locales do not have supported in live cd releases. i.e. Azerbaijani. +</I>>><i> If someone needs full locale or packages support it already have to +</I>>><i> install from Free dvd release. Don't they? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> So instead of having a few un-localised installations, e.g. +</I>><i> Azerbaijani, we force all users with no active internet connection to +</I>><i> do an installation in English even if they don't know any English? +</I>><i> This isn't ideal. +</I>><i> +</I> +Exactly. Since the "One" CDs are oriented to those just trying Linux +(or the distro), it seems to me that the user is much less likely to +have a good grasp of English, especially in a computer context, than, +for example, a typical contributor. + +I would tend to go in the other direction. +I've noticed that the Mandriva One for the middle east, which contains +Arabic localisations, is missing the French, despite the fact that the +Magreb (North Africa) Arabic-speaking countries use French (and not +Arabic) in their public school systems for science and technology +(including computer science). Arabic being reserved for other subjects. +As well, French is widely used in Lebanon. +There are certainly other languages missing on the "One" CDs. + +Perhaps a better solution to the perceived problem is to provide a very +accessible description listing the languages on the particular "One" CD. +Now the user has to check the contents of a file describing the various +ISOs, which is not necessarily obvious to the uninitiated. +These descriptions could also elaborate on other content of the ISO in +question. + +- André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1354">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1354">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1354">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1354">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001355.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001355.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..db2666aa4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001355.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DrrWHncVRFmoZFC97Q379COPN5%2BBrX3sVVUZi5%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001353.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001347.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Suggestion-Locales%20management%20for%20One%20%28or%20Live%29%20Cd%0A%09releases&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DrrWHncVRFmoZFC97Q379COPN5%2BBrX3sVVUZi5%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 16:13:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001353.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1355">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1355">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1355">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1355">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/25 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Well. for those reasons: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - [Mirror side] Waste of space (see discussions about mirrors; i know +</I>><i> you' re one of the mirror maintainer, don't you?) We have 6 different +</I>><i> types of Mandriva One isos. 2 for GNOME, 4 for KDE. 6x700MB=4200MB +</I>><i> extra space on every mirror. +</I> +That's around 5% of the space needed for one version of Mageia. Does +this really count on a mirror? + +><i> -  [Content side] Waste of space. Why don't a Mandriva One KDE4 do not +</I>><i> have printer system or k3b? +</I> +Well, this is a discussion which leads nowhere. You can easily argue +that a live cd does not need this or that application. The +system-config-printer issue has been discussed many times, it is not +absent because of too many locale files. + +><i> - Confusing newbies and even experts minds. I have two times installed +</I>><i> other one cd images than turkish supported one because of a false +</I>><i> mouse click. +</I> +You can apply the "wrong mouse click" error to all applications in +computer universe. I don't think a user is so dumb that he can't +select the correct choice of one among 2 or three! I come to the +download page, I see "Download ONE" (as example), Next step: Each +language group listing all included languages. user clicks on his +language, the download of the correct ISO starts. +Too confusing? + +><i> - Most important: Unsupported language users do not have their +</I>><i> language files installed for applications other than desktop +</I>><i> environment related ones. They have to install those apps again even +</I>><i> those applications come with One Cd or find their corresponding .mo +</I>><i> files and copy to /usr/share/locale/iso_code/LC_Messages dir. +</I> +Yes, a reply to those very rare cases was already given. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001353.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1355">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1355">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1355">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1355">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001356.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001356.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..34daef566 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001356.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainer groups + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C20101025172917.GA358%40maude.comedia.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001347.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001357.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups</H1> + <B>Luca Berra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C20101025172917.GA358%40maude.comedia.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups">bluca at vodka.it + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 19:29:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1356">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1356">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1356">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1356">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>this is a suggestion i already made with mandriva but it landed nowhere, +let's try again. + +At the moment we have 1to1 relationship in all tools between maintainer +and package. But for some packages we have more than one people willing +to work on that package. Besides, for some critical package it may be +useful having more than one person responsible for it. +Also someone might be interested in helping on package foo, but feels +too much inexperienced to take full reponsability for it. Peer review is +important. + +The idea is not associating a package with a single maintainer, but +associate each package to a maintainer-group, say +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A>, and let maintainers subscribe to package +maintenance. + +this would result that in case a ticket is opened in bugzilla vs +package, all interested parties would be notified, and start working on +a solution. (this might require a bit of coordination, but maybe just +assigning the bug to a real person is enough to note someone is taking +care of the problem) + +In this case a package will become unmaintained if no-one is subscribed +to the group. + +we could even use refint_nothing in ldap to redirect +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A> to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">unmaintained at packages.mageia.org</A> when noone +is subscribed to a package. + +Regards, +L. + +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bluca at vodka.it</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1356">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1356">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1356">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1356">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001357.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001357.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..13bf641cb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001357.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainer groups + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C1288028659.4401.20.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001356.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001358.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C1288028659.4401.20.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 19:44:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1357">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1357">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1357">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1357">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 19:29 +0200, Luca Berra a écrit : +><i> this is a suggestion i already made with mandriva but it landed nowhere, +</I>><i> let's try again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At the moment we have 1to1 relationship in all tools between maintainer +</I>><i> and package. But for some packages we have more than one people willing +</I>><i> to work on that package. Besides, for some critical package it may be +</I>><i> useful having more than one person responsible for it. +</I>><i> Also someone might be interested in helping on package foo, but feels +</I>><i> too much inexperienced to take full reponsability for it. Peer review is +</I>><i> important. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The idea is not associating a package with a single maintainer, but +</I>><i> associate each package to a maintainer-group, say +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A>, and let maintainers subscribe to package +</I>><i> maintenance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this would result that in case a ticket is opened in bugzilla vs +</I>><i> package, all interested parties would be notified, and start working on +</I>><i> a solution. (this might require a bit of coordination, but maybe just +</I>><i> assigning the bug to a real person is enough to note someone is taking +</I>><i> care of the problem) +</I> ++1 to the idea. +I just wonder how it articulate on bugzilla side ( ie, we should try to +avoid having a patch on bugzilla side, as this is usually causing +trouble ). +Ie, if I want to take care of a bug report, I would likely assign it to +me, no ? + +Wouldn't it better to use cc for that ? +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1357">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1357">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1357">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1357">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001358.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001358.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1cbede9d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001358.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainer groups + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C20101025180710.GD358%40maude.comedia.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001357.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001359.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups</H1> + <B>Luca Berra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C20101025180710.GD358%40maude.comedia.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups">bluca at vodka.it + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 20:07:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1358">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1358">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1358">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1358">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 07:44:19PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i>Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 19:29 +0200, Luca Berra a écrit : +</I>>><i> this would result that in case a ticket is opened in bugzilla vs +</I>>><i> package, all interested parties would be notified, and start working on +</I>>><i> a solution. (this might require a bit of coordination, but maybe just +</I>>><i> assigning the bug to a real person is enough to note someone is taking +</I>>><i> care of the problem) +</I>><i> +</I>><i>+1 to the idea. +</I>><i>I just wonder how it articulate on bugzilla side ( ie, we should try to +</I>><i>avoid having a patch on bugzilla side, as this is usually causing +</I>><i>trouble ). +</I>><i>Ie, if I want to take care of a bug report, I would likely assign it to +</I>><i>me, no ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Wouldn't it better to use cc for that ? +</I>the idea would be initially assigning the bug report to +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A> (which sends an email to all maintainers) +then if you want to work on it, you assign it to yourself, cc-ing +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org.</A> maybe the cc-ing can be automated, i don't +know how bugzilla works. + +L. + + +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bluca at vodka.it</A> + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1358">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1358">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1358">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1358">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001359.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001359.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b9c1bfea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001359.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainer groups + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikgc3ZtD76GgvHUBUT5z_TTW5fNSqz0xB6utTou%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001358.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001361.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikgc3ZtD76GgvHUBUT5z_TTW5fNSqz0xB6utTou%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 20:09:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1359">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1359">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1359">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1359">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 25 October 2010 19:44, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 19:29 +0200, Luca Berra a écrit : +</I>>><i> this is a suggestion i already made with mandriva but it landed nowhere, +</I>>><i> let's try again. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> At the moment we have 1to1 relationship in all tools between maintainer +</I>>><i> and package. But for some packages we have more than one people willing +</I>>><i> to work on that package. Besides, for some critical package it may be +</I>>><i> useful having more than one person responsible for it. +</I>>><i> Also someone might be interested in helping on package foo, but feels +</I>>><i> too much inexperienced to take full reponsability for it. Peer review is +</I>>><i> important. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The idea is not associating a package with a single maintainer, but +</I>>><i> associate each package to a maintainer-group, say +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A>, and let maintainers subscribe to package +</I>>><i> maintenance. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> this would result that in case a ticket is opened in bugzilla vs +</I>>><i> package, all interested parties would be notified, and start working on +</I>>><i> a solution. (this might require a bit of coordination, but maybe just +</I>>><i> assigning the bug to a real person is enough to note someone is taking +</I>>><i> care of the problem) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +1 to the idea. +</I>><i> I just wonder how it articulate on bugzilla side ( ie, we should try to +</I>><i> avoid having a patch on bugzilla side, as this is usually causing +</I>><i> trouble ). +</I>><i> Ie, if I want to take care of a bug report, I would likely assign it to +</I>><i> me, no ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wouldn't it better to use cc for that ? +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, if a maintainer changes to status to ASSIGNED, we can assume +he's working on it. + +QA team, lately, had a sort of a rule, when one of them was working on +a bug he'd post to the report to say so so as not to duplicate work; +the same was with sec team. That's a good way IMHO. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1359">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1359">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1359">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1359">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001360.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001360.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b6d2bdf48 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001360.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainer groups + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C201010252017.51375.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001361.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C201010252017.51375.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 20:17:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1360">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1360">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1360">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1360">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 19:29:18 schreef Luca Berra: +><i> this is a suggestion i already made with mandriva but it landed nowhere, +</I>><i> let's try again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At the moment we have 1to1 relationship in all tools between maintainer +</I>><i> and package. But for some packages we have more than one people willing +</I>><i> to work on that package. Besides, for some critical package it may be +</I>><i> useful having more than one person responsible for it. +</I>><i> Also someone might be interested in helping on package foo, but feels +</I>><i> too much inexperienced to take full reponsability for it. Peer review is +</I>><i> important. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The idea is not associating a package with a single maintainer, but +</I>><i> associate each package to a maintainer-group, say +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A>, and let maintainers subscribe to package +</I>><i> maintenance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this would result that in case a ticket is opened in bugzilla vs +</I>><i> package, all interested parties would be notified, and start working on +</I>><i> a solution. (this might require a bit of coordination, but maybe just +</I>><i> assigning the bug to a real person is enough to note someone is taking +</I>><i> care of the problem) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In this case a package will become unmaintained if no-one is subscribed +</I>><i> to the group. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> we could even use refint_nothing in ldap to redirect +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A> to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">unmaintained at packages.mageia.org</A> when noone +</I>><i> is subscribed to a package. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> L. +</I> + +I am not averse to the idea. + +however i would also like to have a way to check who's on that list (it could +be integrated with <A HREF="http://maint.mageia.org">http://maint.mageia.org</A> ) perhaps we need to abandon the +idea of single maintainer and have "maintainers" (with primary maintainer) ? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1360">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1360">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1360">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1360">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001361.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001361.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8a6652a09 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/001361.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainer groups + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC5EA1A.6030904%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001359.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001360.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainer%20groups&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC5EA1A.6030904%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 25 22:35:38 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001360.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1361">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1361">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1361">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1361">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 25 October 2010 19:44, Michael Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 19:29 +0200, Luca Berra a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> this is a suggestion i already made with mandriva but it landed nowhere, +</I>>>><i> let's try again. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> At the moment we have 1to1 relationship in all tools between maintainer +</I>>>><i> and package. But for some packages we have more than one people willing +</I>>>><i> to work on that package. Besides, for some critical package it may be +</I>>>><i> useful having more than one person responsible for it. +</I>>>><i> Also someone might be interested in helping on package foo, but feels +</I>>>><i> too much inexperienced to take full reponsability for it. Peer review is +</I>>>><i> important. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The idea is not associating a package with a single maintainer, but +</I>>>><i> associate each package to a maintainer-group, say +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">NAME at packages.mageia.org</A>, and let maintainers subscribe to package +</I>>>><i> maintenance. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> this would result that in case a ticket is opened in bugzilla vs +</I>>>><i> package, all interested parties would be notified, and start working on +</I>>>><i> a solution. (this might require a bit of coordination, but maybe just +</I>>>><i> assigning the bug to a real person is enough to note someone is taking +</I>>>><i> care of the problem) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +1 to the idea. +</I>>><i> I just wonder how it articulate on bugzilla side ( ie, we should try to +</I>>><i> avoid having a patch on bugzilla side, as this is usually causing +</I>>><i> trouble ). +</I>>><i> Ie, if I want to take care of a bug report, I would likely assign it to +</I>>><i> me, no ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Wouldn't it better to use cc for that ? +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Well, if a maintainer changes to status to ASSIGNED, we can assume +</I>><i> he's working on it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> QA team, lately, had a sort of a rule, when one of them was working on +</I>><i> a bug he'd post to the report to say so so as not to duplicate work; +</I>><i> the same was with sec team. That's a good way IMHO. +</I>><i> +</I> +Good idea. This approach is also used by transators in various projects. +It also might be a good to have a designated principle maintainer, in +the maintainer group for a package. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001360.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainer groups +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1361">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1361">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1361">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1361">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aed6965c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101025/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,162 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 25 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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