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After reading through the list of topics and the +individuals who had signed up I came to the same conclusion as you -- +many overlaps between topics. + + From an organizational perspective, at this point, you would have to go +through each topic, take a good look at the descriptions that people +have left in their subscriptions and pidgeon hole them in temporary +categories. After this, you would have to have to make a list of +categories that were severely lacking help and compare the two lists. +After doing this, you would have a clearer picture of where there is an +over-abundance of help and others where the is a need for help. You +could then come back to the community and ask if anyone could sign up to +help in these categories. This would make for a speedier organizational +schedule. + +Some of the categories are pretty well defined already and could get a +temporary organizational go-ahead from the Mageia group to start in on +their topic work. They could go-ahead with the understanding the the +organizational structure of the topic could change as the project matures. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#211">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#211">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#211">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#211">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000212.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000212.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..30cff12d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000212.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Small%20Mandriva%20problems%20to%20go%20thinking%20before%0A%20Mageia%20Development%20begins&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikCudNRNCjuNavoJAzyhh2WT8PZH40_XomhCk%2Bi%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000211.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000215.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Small%20Mandriva%20problems%20to%20go%20thinking%20before%0A%20Mageia%20Development%20begins&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikCudNRNCjuNavoJAzyhh2WT8PZH40_XomhCk%2Bi%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 08:25:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#212">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#212">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#212">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#212">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/24 André Machado <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>>: +><i> Some things that I noticed with Mandriva what shoud be fixed in Mageia. If you know others, add to list. Let's make a pre-buglist ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. Since Mandriva 2010.0, there is a strange problem with BR-ABNT layout keyboards: when you press the , key at numpad, system prints a . instead. I've report this bug at Mandriva's Bugzilla but don't know if it was fully fixed. Other current distros are afected too. Ubuntu is one what is not. +</I>><i> +</I> +Fixed AFAICS: <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=51587">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=51587</A> + +><i> 2. For an unknow reason, when installing Mandriva on Virtualbox, installer takes a long time to install GRUB boot manager. On a real machine, this doesn' occurs. Please investigate. +</I>><i> +</I> +I've seen that behaviour before too, might be a good idea opening a +bug report (in the new Mageia bugzilla when it's up) if the bug still +exists. + +><i> 3. When updating a kernel, all installed kernels are listed on GRUB screen. This is right, but can confuse some users. We should show only the last installed kernel and a menu item that leads to other menu with all other installed kernels. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Reguards. +</I>><i> +</I> +In principal it's good, but I don't know if the current gfxboot +supports that. (again open a report in the new bugzilla when it's up). + +You'd better keep a track of this email (discussing such bugs now +might mean they'll get lost before a bugzilla is even open :)). + +><i> +</I>><i> _____________________________________________________________ +</I>><i> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> <A HREF="http://www.DCemail.com">http://www.DCemail.com</A> ---> A Washington Online Community Member ---> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.DCpages.com">http://www.DCpages.com</A> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-dev mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Mageia-dev at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</A> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#212">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#212">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#212">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#212">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000214.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000214.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..13c9579a8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000214.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1285408743.5079.0.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000215.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000218.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Patrice BRUNELLE</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1285408743.5079.0.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">patrice.brunelle at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 11:59:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#214">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#214">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#214">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#214">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 15:51 -0500, R James a écrit : +><i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Sinner from the Prairy +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">patrice.brunelle at free.fr</A> wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> Wikipedia says that X86_64 include SSE/SSE2. All the new processors are 64 +</I>><i> >> bits. So I don't think it is necessary to change i586 to i686. 32 bits +</I>><i> >> platform will die soon. Also it is more important to keep more +</I>><i> >> compatibility for 32 bits. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well said. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No need to maintain extra repos with minor imoprovements on target archs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro. (Remember that? :o) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture</A>) +</I> +Yes I remember that. And ? + +-- +Patrice BRUNELLE <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">patrice.brunelle at free.fr</A>> + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#214">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#214">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#214">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#214">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000215.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000215.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..32c986ae5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000215.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C1285405446.12505.249.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000212.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000214.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C1285405446.12505.249.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 11:04:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#215">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#215">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#215">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#215">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 07:49 +1200, Graham Lauder a écrit : +><i> On Friday 24 Sep 2010 12:38:41 Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> > Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 12:04 +1200, Graham Lauder a écrit : +</I>><i> > > Who do I talk to about setting up a Marketing Mail list +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We postponed the mls creation until we have a clear delimitation and +</I>><i> > understanding about the various sub groups who will need one, and until +</I>><i> > we can find what we can offer to those subgroups to collaborate ( ie, +</I>><i> > wiki, elgg, or any kind of tools, depending on the need, what is +</I>><i> > available and so on ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Marketing and communication somehow overlap if we look at the +</I>><i> > description on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing</A> and +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication,">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication,</A> +</I>><i> > communication and webteam may overlap ( as the web site is +</I>><i> > communication ), so could webteam and design, or design and +</I>><i> > communication. +</I>><i> > And webteam and sysadmin may also overlap too or at least, will require +</I>><i> > to discuss. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My first reaction was "NOOOO, I want my exclusive MARKETING LIST!!" +</I>><i> (note caps and 2, yes two, exclamation marks. So restrained ;) ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But then my consideration is that you are right. We (people) tend to package +</I>><i> things in terms of job descriptions. This is a hangover from our offline work +</I>><i> environment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marketing, website, education, documentation, graphic design: all are +</I>><i> communication, so lets put them under a single mail list. The more I think +</I>><i> about it the more i like the synergies that would come out of that. +</I> +Well, we should better define task and subject of each mailling list. +I was planning about -i18n, as we have a straight usage for this ( ie, +people helping on website translation and so on, and later, translation +of projects ). + +But for a communication ml, i think we need a goal/mission/whatever of +the ml, so people can decide where to subscribe, etc. + +So if you have a proposal about this, do not hesitate ( a little bit +more formal than the one of the wiki, if possible :) ). + + +><i> > +</I>><i> > In the mean time, yes, a piratepad would be a solution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would prefer collaboration on google docs but pirate pads realtime update +</I>><i> is a killer feature at this point and so I'll put up with the other +</I>><i> irritations. +</I> +I would prefer pirate pad because this can be hosted on our own +infrastructure later ( which can be important for web single sign on, to +ensure the confidentiality if needed ), and because that's free software +( which is imho a important statement for a group that try to promote +free software ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? 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This was said here by +Michael Schrerer (misc) +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100925/000215.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100925/000215.html</A> + +So, please, just make you a cup of tea/coffee/hot chocolate and wait + +Marianne + +PS : please, use a mail client who doesn't broke thread + +-- +Marianne (Jehane) Lombard +Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team +Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#217">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#217">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#217">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#217">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000218.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000218.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..635ec5a32 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000218.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik89EnkXqb%3DUyFQ3fzJg9SrPWmyEHt68G6b8N9e%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000214.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000220.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik89EnkXqb%3DUyFQ3fzJg9SrPWmyEHt68G6b8N9e%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 14:16:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#218">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#218">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#218">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#218">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Patrice BRUNELLE +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">patrice.brunelle at free.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 15:51 -0500, R James a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro.  (Remember that?  :o) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture</A>) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes I remember that. And ? +</I>><i> +</I>Its just a precision to the subject title. i686 began with the +Pentium Pro, not Pentium II. + +I'm not sure what performance benefits can be gained from compiling +for i686 vs i586. Probably not much except for multimedia +applications which most of those can auto-detect the CPU's +capabilities anyways. + +There are still people running AMD K6's (ie: me) which is also i586. +If we compile for i686 and newer, they won't even be able to boot the +installer. + +Therefore, I agree with the decision to keep i586 support. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#218">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#218">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#218">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#218">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000219.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000219.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e93a4aa1f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000219.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Will%20this%20work%20for%20a%20build%20system%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikprhEv%3DL-%3DYc-_VfUp%3DkiMeGL33_v8KYDJPVbe%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000217.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000223.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Will%20this%20work%20for%20a%20build%20system%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikprhEv%3DL-%3DYc-_VfUp%3DkiMeGL33_v8KYDJPVbe%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 17:08:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#219">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#219">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#219">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#219">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello Mageia Development Team, + +I have a VM resource that I'd like to provide in the U.S. as a build +system if you think its acceptable: + +Physical Hardware: +Dell PowerEdge T300 with Intel Quad Core Xeon E5410 2.33GHz (64-bit, +VT capable). +24GB RAM +2TB storage via hardware RAID6 + +Virtual Machine: +I've created a VM using KVM which allocates 2 CPUs and 8GB RAM. There +are 3 LVM virtual disks for /, swap and /var (or whatever) that are +free to grow within their 1TB volume group. + +If you need 2 VMs (ie: for 32-bit and 64-bit) I can provide another +with 2 CPUs and 4GB RAM but I'll need to split the 1TB volume group +into two. + +Bandwidth from ISP is marginal. 10Mb down, 2Mb up. I think 10Mb down +is their limit but I'll see if they can increase the upload speed... + +I know nothing about creating a build server so I'm willing to learn +or simply provide Magia development root access to the VM(s). + +If you think this can be useful, I'll add it to the Hardware Resources +section of the wiki. If not, I'll set it up as a local Mageia mirror. + +Thanks, +Rick +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#219">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#219">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#219">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#219">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000220.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000220.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ecf9a7d5d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000220.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4C9E1291.4050305%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000218.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000221.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Filipe Rosset</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4C9E1291.4050305%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">rosset.filipe at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 17:17:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 09/25/2010 09:16 AM, R James wrote: +><i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Patrice BRUNELLE +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">patrice.brunelle at free.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 15:51 -0500, R James a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro. (Remember that? :o) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture</A>) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes I remember that. And ? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Its just a precision to the subject title. i686 began with the +</I>><i> Pentium Pro, not Pentium II. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure what performance benefits can be gained from compiling +</I>><i> for i686 vs i586. Probably not much except for multimedia +</I>><i> applications which most of those can auto-detect the CPU's +</I>><i> capabilities anyways. +</I>><i> +</I> +Just for reference, the Fedora Project was changed from i586 to i686: + +<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features</A> +<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support</A> +<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html</A> +<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html</A> +(with 'benchmarks') +<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set</A> + +><i> There are still people running AMD K6's (ie: me) which is also i586. +</I>><i> If we compile for i686 and newer, they won't even be able to boot the +</I>><i> installer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Therefore, I agree with the decision to keep i586 support. +</I> +I agree too. + +-- +Filipe +Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000221.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000221.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5d5485d56 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000221.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikNg_md440USa1B5BzKKR9giPHNM2W%2BsnqSktuo%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000220.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000225.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Giuseppe Ghibò</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikNg_md440USa1B5BzKKR9giPHNM2W%2BsnqSktuo%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">ghibomgx at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 17:53:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#221">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#221">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#221">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#221">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/25 Filipe Rosset <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rosset.filipe at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> On 09/25/2010 09:16 AM, R James wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Patrice BRUNELLE +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">patrice.brunelle at free.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 15:51 -0500, R James a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro. (Remember that? +</I>>>>><i> :o) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture</A>)<<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29</A>> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Yes I remember that. And ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Its just a precision to the subject title. i686 began with the +</I>>><i> Pentium Pro, not Pentium II. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm not sure what performance benefits can be gained from compiling +</I>>><i> for i686 vs i586. Probably not much except for multimedia +</I>>><i> applications which most of those can auto-detect the CPU's +</I>>><i> capabilities anyways. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Just for reference, the Fedora Project was changed from i586 to i686: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html(with">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html(with</A> 'benchmarks') +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There are still people running AMD K6's (ie: me) which is also i586. +</I>>><i> If we compile for i686 and newer, they won't even be able to boot the +</I>>><i> installer. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Therefore, I agree with the decision to keep i586 support. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm +flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for +a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it's barely +usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that +windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.; +since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as +those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB +memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE +instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but +that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the +3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel +(think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.). + +G. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100925/4738b434/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#221">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#221">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#221">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#221">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000222.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000222.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..88cade78f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000222.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20New%20list%20created%20for%20i18n&In-Reply-To=%3C1285430203.26436.264.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000224.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20New%20list%20created%20for%20i18n&In-Reply-To=%3C1285430203.26436.264.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 17:56:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#222">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#222">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#222">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#222">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +In order to start organizing the project a little, and to reuse the +model used by several others distributions ( mandriva for example ), a +list dedicated to translation and internationalisation have been +created. + +Unsurprisingly, the name is mageia-i18n, and as the others, can be +subscribed online using <A HREF="http://mageia.org/mailman/.">http://mageia.org/mailman/.</A> I have also send a +subscription request to gmane +( <A HREF="http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.i18n">http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.i18n</A> ), and it should appear +soon. + +So while I do not expect it to have a tremendous impact on the traffic +here, I hope this will help everybody to focus on the part of the work +that interest them. + +So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on +it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with +us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for +internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use, +etc, etc. + +And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between +translators and people interested in the subject. + +If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#222">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#222">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#222">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#222">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000223.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000223.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2d8434080 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000223.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Will%20this%20work%20for%20a%20build%20system%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1285430793.26436.275.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000219.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000224.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Will%20this%20work%20for%20a%20build%20system%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1285430793.26436.275.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 18:06:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#223">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#223">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#223">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#223">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 10:08 -0500, R James a écrit : +><i> Hello Mageia Development Team, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have a VM resource that I'd like to provide in the U.S. as a build +</I>><i> system if you think its acceptable: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Physical Hardware: +</I>><i> Dell PowerEdge T300 with Intel Quad Core Xeon E5410 2.33GHz (64-bit, +</I>><i> VT capable). +</I>><i> 24GB RAM +</I>><i> 2TB storage via hardware RAID6 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Virtual Machine: +</I>><i> I've created a VM using KVM which allocates 2 CPUs and 8GB RAM. There +</I>><i> are 3 LVM virtual disks for /, swap and /var (or whatever) that are +</I>><i> free to grow within their 1TB volume group. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you need 2 VMs (ie: for 32-bit and 64-bit) I can provide another +</I>><i> with 2 CPUs and 4GB RAM but I'll need to split the 1TB volume group +</I>><i> into two. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bandwidth from ISP is marginal. 10Mb down, 2Mb up. I think 10Mb down +</I>><i> is their limit but I'll see if they can increase the upload speed... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know nothing about creating a build server so I'm willing to learn +</I>><i> or simply provide Magia development root access to the VM(s). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you think this can be useful, I'll add it to the Hardware Resources +</I>><i> section of the wiki. If not, I'll set it up as a local Mageia mirror. +</I> +Thanks for your offer, but for various reasons and for the moment, we +think it is better to have everything in the same datacenter. + +Regarding the mirror, I am not sure that the upload is good enough, but +that's up to you. + +Regarding a buildserver, it is not more complex than a calcul cluster. +There is some videos on the subject for Opensuse Build System, and for +the Bodhi and Koji from Fedora. You can also look at Mandriva wiki +( like +<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/BuildSystem/Analysis">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/BuildSystem/Analysis</A> +even if obsolete regarding exact implementation, this provides a good +analysis ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#223">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#223">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#223">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#223">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000224.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000224.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..781da39a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000224.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Will%20this%20work%20for%20a%20build%20system%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikpEor%3DpzVUP9zpCFfiCm%3DUej%3Di9ZT1tAO%3D7fV2%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000223.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000222.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Will%20this%20work%20for%20a%20build%20system%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikpEor%3DpzVUP9zpCFfiCm%3DUej%3Di9ZT1tAO%3D7fV2%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 19:44:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#224">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#224">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#224">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#224">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for your offer, but for various reasons and for the moment, we +</I>><i> think it is better to have everything in the same datacenter. +</I> +OK, thanks for the info. That makes sense. + +><i> Regarding the mirror, I am not sure that the upload is good enough, but +</I>><i> that's up to you. +</I> +Yeah, if I move the physical server about 2 miles. I can plug it into +a better ISP. + +Thanks again, +Rick +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#224">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#224">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#224">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#224">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000225.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000225.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fb2c1f9ee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000225.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009251947230.22959-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000221.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000227.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009251947230.22959-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 19:52:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#225">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#225">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#225">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#225">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: + +><i> IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm +</I>><i> flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for +</I>><i> a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it's barely +</I>><i> usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that +</I>><i> windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.; +</I>><i> since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as +</I>><i> those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB +</I>><i> memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE +</I>><i> instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but +</I>><i> that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the +</I>><i> 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel +</I>><i> (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.). +</I>><i> +</I> +You are not seeing the bigger picture. Mageia is not just for desktop or +netbook users or modern powerful servers, there are people using +embedded systems that often still have i586 compatible cpus, ISA cards +are still very common in industrial uses, etc. + +Personally I have a VIA C3 based system that I use as home server, and +the C3 is only i586 compatible, not i686. + +Also dropping kernel modules for old hardware does not bring any +advantage (they are modules anyway so they don't get loaded on systems +where they aren't needed), only disadvantages to those people who need +them. + +So please let's try to be as comprehensive as possible, not exclude +potential users by creating needless limits and restrictions. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#225">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#225">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#225">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#225">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000226.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000226.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8ede73d3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000226.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DZgh-QH2OG9exJF8mqSt3dq-6Dv9YxA5ht-sR_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000231.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000228.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DZgh-QH2OG9exJF8mqSt3dq-6Dv9YxA5ht-sR_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 20:37:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#226">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#226">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#226">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#226">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/25 Giuseppe Ghibò <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ghibomgx at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm +</I>><i> flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for +</I>><i> a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it's barely +</I>><i> usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that +</I>><i> windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.; +</I>><i> since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as +</I>><i> those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB +</I>><i> memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE +</I>><i> instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but +</I>><i> that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the +</I>><i> 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel +</I>><i> (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.). +</I> +Since the vast majority of new processors are 64-bit capable, I see no +point in *only* supporting the newest of the old CPUs. All the 32-bit +stuff will eventually die on its own anyways. + +I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that +doesn't do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked). + +IMHO, just sticking with i586 support is the path-of-least-resistance +and doesn't alienate people who must use older hardware out of +financial or geographic necessity. + +I would not use KDE as a basis for ruling out support of older +hardware. Mageia will offer many lightweight alternatives to KDE. + +Because the kernel is modular, excluding older drivers may save some +hard disk space, but won't affect the actual kernel size much. As +soon as you exclude support for ISA, someone will come along wondering +why their $VeryImportantOlderHW no longer works. ;o) + +I've heard absolutely no complaints about how Mandriva runs on SSE2 +capable, 32-bit only systems. In fact, I have heard quite the +opposite. People coming from other distros are saying Mandriva is +*faster*. + +Executive summary: If it ain't broke, Mageia should't fix it. + +But that's JMHO. :o) +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#226">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#226">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#226">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#226">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000227.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000227.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..017e167a4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000227.html @@ -0,0 +1,158 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikFouhCfKMWYH2fXEQzLQ9nv%3DGpsn-QzgYp41eU%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000225.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000230.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Giuseppe Ghibò</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikFouhCfKMWYH2fXEQzLQ9nv%3DGpsn-QzgYp41eU%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">ghibomgx at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 21:25:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#227">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#227">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#227">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#227">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/25 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> + +><i> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 +</I>><i> rpm +</I>><i> > flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile +</I>><i> for +</I>><i> > a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it's barely +</I>><i> > usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means +</I>><i> that +</I>><i> > windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, +</I>><i> etc.; +</I>><i> > since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as +</I>><i> > those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB +</I>><i> > memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE +</I>><i> > instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but +</I>><i> > that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only +</I>><i> the +</I>><i> > 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel +</I>><i> > (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are not seeing the bigger picture. Mageia is not just for desktop or +</I>><i> netbook users or modern powerful servers, there are people using +</I>><i> embedded systems that often still have i586 compatible cpus, ISA cards +</I>><i> are still very common in industrial uses, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally I have a VIA C3 based system that I use as home server, and +</I>><i> the C3 is only i586 compatible, not i686. +</I>><i> +</I> +Frankly IMHO such hardware is pretty unusable on a modern distro. I think +maintaining the compatibility for older legacy hardware is a duty for +OpenBSD. I tried such (i.e. Mandriva) on older hardware, and it's really +really slow, even without the graphical stuff. This is for instance a Dual +PII-450 with SCSI 10000RPM disks and 1GB RAM. At the time such hardware was +new it was the fastest machine you could assemble, and the distro you could +run was a lightning. Like if today you would assemble a Dual six-core i7 +985X with 64GB of memory and 6TB RAID disks. And PII don't have the SSE2. +Every time you upgrade the distro, performance drop to half (it's not a +matter of optimization, it's because the X11 become bigger, the kernel +fatter because more and more stuff added, more and more checks, the +applications bigger, the toolkits slower, the number of libraries higher, +...). + +And furthermore the more older system you have the fewer memory you have +available. And you can't add more memory because the chipset doesn't support +more. In these days also counts the consume of energy, so the tendency is +also to replace old hardware which consumes too much power compared to newer +hardware and virtualize the old application|system. Unless of course you +wanna experiment some solar panels... ;-) + +Often even doing the installation from scratch won't work anymore, because +the higher memory requirements. So I really want to know a REAL survey of +still old (oldest) hardware running and USING the latest distro (latest +means LATEST, not 1 or 2 years ago distro). I myself have seen even in +production (of course not on the internet so you don't need patches) systems +with MDK 7.2 with 128MB RAM and K6, but they wouldn't dare to upgrade it to +the latest. + +That's why I said to drop things that nowadays NOBODY uses anymore. Then if +someone has such hardware, it wouldn't be a problem of adding a kernel +module to the kernel list for a certain card that still is used. Of course +you can argue, that certainly a newer system would have the 64bit +instruction set support (which has even the SSE2 as lowest common +denominator), so a user there would certainly install the 64bit system and +not the 32 one. Then I say this is right. + +Regarding VIA C3, I wonder exactly which model you have, how much memory, +and which distro you are running on it. As at least 4-5 years old C3 core +Nehemiah models have support for SSE, SSE2, and even crypto hardware +optimization (that even Intel or AMD doesn't have). +I'm not saying such hardware is not common, but I wonder whether they would +install Mageia on it. It even exists slower hardware based on ARM +architecture, but there isn't any ARM port of the distro. Or is planned one? + + +><i> +</I>><i> Also dropping kernel modules for old hardware does not bring any +</I>><i> advantage (they are modules anyway so they don't get loaded on systems +</I>><i> where they aren't needed), only disadvantages to those people who need +</I>><i> them. +</I>><i> +</I> +Only advantage is that you get kernel package thinner and building time +shorter :-) + + +><i> +</I>><i> So please let's try to be as comprehensive as possible, not exclude +</I>><i> potential users by creating needless limits and restrictions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>It's not a matter of excluding potential users, rather providing the real +requirements, not "it SHOULD work because we compiled with -march=i586...). + +Bye +Giuseppe. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100925/7753fdb9/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#227">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#227">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#227">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#227">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f982a7093 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html @@ -0,0 +1,140 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimVXzoypv_0zrZLsoZv5gtRQ3ECL-YrFSz9KS35%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000226.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000229.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Giuseppe Ghibò</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimVXzoypv_0zrZLsoZv5gtRQ3ECL-YrFSz9KS35%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">ghibomgx at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 22:09:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#228">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#228">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#228">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#228">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Since the vast majority of new processors are 64-bit capable, I see no +</I>><i> point in *only* supporting the newest of the old CPUs. All the 32-bit +</I>><i> stuff will eventually die on its own anyways. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that +</I>><i> doesn't do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked). +</I>><i> +</I> +PII is not SSE2 capable. I cited SSE2, because it was giving even more +boosts. SSE3, 4, etc. needs special support to gain further boosts. + + +><i> +</I>><i> IMHO, just sticking with i586 support is the path-of-least-resistance +</I>><i> and doesn't alienate people who must use older hardware out of +</I>><i> financial or geographic necessity. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would not use KDE as a basis for ruling out support of older +</I>><i> hardware. Mageia will offer many lightweight alternatives to KDE. +</I>><i> +</I> +Any system REALLY lightweight is welcome, but it's not a matter of just +choosing a desktop rather than another. There are also toolkits, and they +are getting fatter. Maybe a legacy system with just motif (or lesstif) +applications would be lightweight nowadays. But IMHO this is just an +illusion and get people "angry". I really want to see such a lightweight +system even for ATOM CPUs. + +I spent days and days in try to understand why passing from a distro to two +versions later, my shining not-so-new P4 hardware with ATI card become from +lightning to usable to a slow-dog that it was not able to keep at the same +time a browser and a mail client without slaughtering the hard disk with +swap. And the answer was that there wasn't any bottenleck in the distro +(beyond playing with Composite, XAA and EXA...). +Simply the upstream applications become fatter because they added more +checks, etc.; you might experience this even not using graphics at all but +remaining in console mode only. +And phoronix benchmarks shown this. Only difference is that when you +test adjacent +releases the differences are tighter, so you wouldn't notice too much. For +instance the whole distro of Xandros running on the first EEEPCs, was able +to boot and go X in 10-15 seconds. But when starting OpenOffice/Staroffice +there, or acrobat reader, was not faster than the same time they were taking +on MDV. + +Even newer versions of what was considered the most optimized and +lightweight distro, VectorLinux, become slower. Or try to put in a CDROM an +older Knoppix 3.2 of 2005 against Knoppix 6.2 on the same hardware... + +Of course we shouldn't forget that the MDV had already a system for +providing optimized (look at /usr/lib/sse2 for instance) version of +libraries according to instruction set supported. + +So my suggestion was just to rethink to the lowest common denominator for 32 +bit consider that we are in year 2010, maybe adding to such list the SSE and +MMX sets. And by contrary are the CPU not supporting such set still usable +with the newer distro even in console mode (fileserver, webserver, dns +server, etc.)? Have they enough memory to run even the installer? Just a +survey. + +Note that I'm always in favour in preserving the legacy stuff, especially +for software applications, but when things are done in a certain way, even +if there is only one SINGLE user using it (he would have invested time in +learning things, so why removing things he knows and use?). + + +><i> Because the kernel is modular, excluding older drivers may save some +</I>><i> hard disk space, but won't affect the actual kernel size much. As +</I>><i> soon as you exclude support for ISA, someone will come along wondering +</I>><i> why their $VeryImportantOlderHW no longer works. ;o) +</I>><i> +</I> +when it works...I saw in the past many of my most important old hardware, +like some PCMCIA network card or modem not working or supported anymore... +;-) + +Bye +Giuseppe. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100925/0692a918/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#228">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#228">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#228">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#228">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000229.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000229.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f72aff26 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000229.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikR2xzQC1LJ4aBaPE9mdUQb%3DAbCWJOmZc8_%2BEYx%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000228.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000216.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Giuseppe Ghibò</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikR2xzQC1LJ4aBaPE9mdUQb%3DAbCWJOmZc8_%2BEYx%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">ghibomgx at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 22:19:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#229">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#229">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#229">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#229">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/25 R James <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> +</I>><i> I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that +</I>><i> doesn't do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked). +</I>><i> +</I> +I read the <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support.">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support.</A> IMHO +optimizing for some ATOM specific CPU get 1% improvement, IMHO those are +peanuts and not worthwhile to change anything at cost of loosing +compatibility. ATOM and distro and applications running on ATOMs needs much +much more boosts (BTW, I've ATOM 450 and I run directly the 64bit 2010.1 +distro on it, so should be SSE2 optimzed at source, and IMHO it is still +underpowered for plain tasks). + +G. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100925/f7e15fc1/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#229">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#229">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#229">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#229">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000230.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000230.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7a2877b72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000230.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009252313310.22959-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000227.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000231.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009252313310.22959-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 23:19:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#230">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#230">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#230">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#230">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: + +><i> > You are not seeing the bigger picture. Mageia is not just for desktop or +</I>><i> > netbook users or modern powerful servers, there are people using +</I>><i> > embedded systems that often still have i586 compatible cpus, ISA cards +</I>><i> > are still very common in industrial uses, etc. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Personally I have a VIA C3 based system that I use as home server, and +</I>><i> > the C3 is only i586 compatible, not i686. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Frankly IMHO such hardware is pretty unusable on a modern distro. I think +</I>><i> maintaining the compatibility for older legacy hardware is a duty for +</I>><i> OpenBSD. I tried such (i.e. Mandriva) on older hardware, and it's really +</I>><i> really slow, even without the graphical stuff. +</I> +Again, you are missing the point, these machines are not desktop PCs +running a GUI, any modern Linux distro still runs perfectly fine with +64-128MB and 10-15 year old cpus when used for many headless purposes. + +There is no reason to artificially block Mageia from running on these +machines (and their are far more common than you think). + +When planning a distro you need to think inclusion, not exclusion. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#230">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#230">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#230">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#230">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000231.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000231.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d3b51f315 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000231.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DMgnGJshcRgekyF4UF6SwcfEgXBOAqU5%2BD4fYK%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000230.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000226.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Giuseppe Ghibò</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DMgnGJshcRgekyF4UF6SwcfEgXBOAqU5%2BD4fYK%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">ghibomgx at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 23:54:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#231">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#231">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#231">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#231">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/25 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> + +Again, you are missing the point, these machines are not desktop PCs +><i> running a GUI, any modern Linux distro still runs perfectly fine with +</I>><i> 64-128MB and 10-15 year old cpus when used for many headless purposes. +</I>><i> +</I> +For instance? Apart DSL which distro can you start the installer with 64MB +memory only (use 1GB swap?)? Were you able to install the 2010.1? + + +><i> +</I>><i> There is no reason to artificially block Mageia from running on these +</I>><i> machines (and their are far more common than you think). +</I>><i> +</I> +Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware +like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or +desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled +carefully. + + +><i> When planning a distro you need to think inclusion, not exclusion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I'm not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for arch +and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can't. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100925/6c53e49f/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#231">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#231">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#231">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#231">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..49091216b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,147 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 25 September 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>25 September 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 01:32:27 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 20<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? 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+</A><A NAME="224"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="225"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="226"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="227"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="228"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="229"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="230"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="231"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:50 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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+</A><A NAME="214"> </A> +<I>Patrice BRUNELLE +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="218"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="220"> </A> +<I>Filipe Rosset +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="221"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="225"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="226"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="227"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="228"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="229"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="230"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="231"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n +</A><A NAME="222"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="212"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A><A NAME="219"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A><A NAME="223"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A><A NAME="224"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:50 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e9f68c693 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,179 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 25 September 2010 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>25 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 01:32:27 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 20<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01285371147- --> +<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="211"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01285395913- --> +<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="212"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--0 01285405446- --> +<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="215"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01285408743- --> +<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="214"> </A> +<I>Patrice BRUNELLE +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285408743-01285417018- --> +<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="218"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857- --> +<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="220"> </A> +<I>Filipe Rosset +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030- --> +<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="221"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285437167- --> +<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="225"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285437167-01285442748- --> +<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="227"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285437167-01285442748-01285449556- --> +<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="230"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285437167-01285442748-01285449556-01285451686- --> +<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="231"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285439822- --> +<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="226"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285439822-01285445367- --> +<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="228"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<!--3 01285408743-01285417018-01285427857-01285430030-01285439822-01285445968- --> +<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="229"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285416005- --> +<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="216"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285416005-01285416307- --> +<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="217"> </A> +<I>Lombard Marianne +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285427327- --> +<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A><A NAME="219"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285427327-01285430793- --> +<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A><A NAME="223"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285427327-01285430793-01285436691- --> +<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system? +</A><A NAME="224"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285430203- --> +<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-dev] New list created for i18n +</A><A NAME="222"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:46 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:54:50 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |